Is it possible:

[A.W.]

Originally Posted by Fantasy Chaser

Without some compelling evidence, I'm not going to buy the idea that McCain took a dive.

that is fine , but it is my contention that he either took a dive or was the dupe and his campaign staff engineered his defeat .

[warpig]

I don't think McCain is comfortable in the " take someone to task mode" He seemed to always had an "good ole. boy, let's sit down and work this out" attitude. His campaign was definitely a C- at best. We need to face the fact that the Big O marketed himself better. People quit listening to what he was saying, as evidenced at the number of directional changes he made, and picked the candidate that came across better on TV.

Sad commentary on our electorate but true none the less.

and like it or not many voted against Bush, making the Repub pay...........

[Trance]

Originally Posted by A.W.

that is fine , but it is my contention that he either took a dive or was the dupe and his campaign staff engineered his defeat .

I tend to believe that McCain more or less wanted to ensure an Obama victory and if throwing his whole campaign down the flusher was the only way to secure that, then so be it....

[smichellen]

Well, the meeting the two had yesterday was 90 minutes long. Lots of photo ops of tehm sitting there looking like chums.
Makes me wonder. There were many times during the campaign when it seemed McCain thought of Bama and Biden as his buddies.
I have a hard time thinking he lost on purpose because it seems like he has really wanted to be President for such a long time and as already mentioned here he did run before. He made it further this time. I would think that at his age he is not looking at a 2012 run....look at how many idiots didn't vote for him simply because "he's old" now.

[smichellen]

So, I doubt he wanted to loose. I do think however that McCain was not as much against bamma's plans as he should have been. He simply wasn't all that pasionatly against bamma. His own passion for what he believes was a bit lack lustre too. In the last couple of weeks McCain was ramping up and bama was starting to fizzle out...it was just too little too late.

It did seem like McCain's own staff worked at helping him fail.... Not sure what to make of it all.

[elavaney]

I've come to the conclusion that God sent a delusion upon this nation that allowed The One to be elected president.

McCain wasn't the most inspiring candidate although I did like and support him, he just couldn't get it together.

[Trance]

Originally Posted by elavaney

I've come to the conclusion that God sent a delusion upon this nation that allowed The One to be elected president.

McCain wasn't the most inspiring candidate although I did like and support him, he just couldn't get it together.

Obama came off like a used-car salesman. Full of pretty and slick words, but very little substance.

And America bought it.

[Spâtha]

Originally Posted by Trance

Oh it was quite obvious that McCain didn't EVEN try. But then again, what else do you expect from a career-RINO

I think you ansered your own question!
Republicans didn't vote for McCain!

The primary system gave us McCain, so we were saddled with him.
With open primarys, Dems were free to cross over and vote for the most liberal 'republican'... McCain.

When McCain chose Palin, a virtual 'unknown' - many were confused.
Then, when you add her terrible reviews from the Couric interview, the 60% of the Right that were FOR McCain, suddenly became a group of 40% that deserted McCain!

All because Palin offended intelligent women with her folksy style.
Many women I knew were McCain supporters until Sarah opened her mouth!

Now I'm a Palin supporter. But Many Republicans were 'put off' by her.

That gave us a 'no win' situation in the General Election.

McCain didn't sabbotage his efforts.

We Did!
We didn't identify with McCain. He was not one of us. We were swayed by emotion and opportunity.

We were not loyal to our party because we did not have a true Republican representing us!

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Trance

Obama came off like a used-car salesman. Full of pretty and slick words, but very little substance.

And America bought it.

Its funny cause its soooooooo true.

Stupid old withered Mccain was an amazing blunder for the once again out of touch Republican party. In their assanine haste to move to the center, they shot themselves right in the foot. Mccain Feingold was enough for most people I know to vote third party. Alan Keyes.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Spâtha

I think you ansered your own question!
Republicans didn't vote for McCain!

The primary system gave us McCain, so we were saddled with him.
With open primarys, Dems were free to cross over and vote for the most liberal 'republican'... McCain.

When McCain chose Palin, a virtual 'unknown' - many were confused.
Then, when you add her terrible reviews from the Couric interview, the 60% of the Right that were FOR McCain, suddenly became a group of 40% that deserted McCain!

All because Palin offended intelligent women with her folksy style.
Many women I knew were McCain supporters until Sarah opened her mouth!

Now I'm a Palin supporter. But Many Republicans were 'put off' by her.

That gave us a 'no win' situation in the General Election.

McCain didn't sabbotage his efforts.

We Did!
We didn't identify with McCain. He was not one of us. We were swayed by emotion and opportunity.

We were not loyal to our party because we did not have a true Republican representing us!

Major BS on this post. Over five people I know personally decided to vote for Mccain, after Palin was picked. They otherwise where going with third party and some were not going to vote at all. Palins pick almost swayed me, but Im a man of principle, and had she been on the front of the ticket I would have vote for her. Mccain was never one of us, thts why he chose Palin, to reconnect with the base. It came to late and when time for finger pointing came, you and many other fell for the obvious scape goating of a decent American women, that I must say, has more to offer America, than her withered, out of touch, moderate couterpart Mccain.

[Conservative Libertarian]

Originally Posted by Jay

Major BS on this post. Over five people I know personally decided to vote for Mccain, after Palin was picked. They otherwise where going with third party and some were not going to vote at all. Palins pick almost swayed me, but Im a man of principle, and had she been on the front of the ticket I would have vote for her. Mccain was never one of us, thts why he chose Palin, to reconnect with the base. It came to late and when time for finger pointing came, you and many other fell for the obvious scape goating of a decent American women, that I must say, has more to offer America, than her withered, out of touch, moderate couterpart Mccain.

Add me to that list. If he hadn't picked a real Conservative running mate, my vote would have went elsewhere. One could argue that I was voting for Palin.

[A.W.]

Palin would have won without mccain dragging her down, all she needed was a good vp running mate.

Anyone who thinks Palin did anything but draw more votes to the republican ticket is sadly mistaken

[mtemptyspace2008]

Originally Posted by A.W.

Palin would have won without mccain dragging her down, all she needed was a good vp running mate.

Anyone who thinks Palin did anything but draw more votes to the republican ticket is sadly mistaken

Dang A.W., someone finally stands with my same view.

[warpig]

I think McCain is more of an, "let's sit down and work things out kinda guy"
...............more of a second fiddle rather than the lead dog. I think it showed he was uncomfortable with the push back type of campaigning that is required to become the POTUS. I was thinking that towards the end Palin was drawing bigger crowds than he was.
It not that he threw the campaign, he didn't know how to run it, and he does not have the personality to pull it off.

[Susanna]

"Intelligent" women rejected Palin? Baloney!

[Spâtha]

Call it BS if you want, but it's not conjecture. I'm not pulling this out of thin air, rather from having several discussions with women from within our local Republican party.

In my personal estimation, Palin was a GodSend for the ticket. She invigorated the base and gave many Republicans a ray of hope. But, it was all for show. McCain never had a chance - and it didn't matter about his running mate - because many conservatives simply would not vote for him.

I'm not saying Palin is not a compelling figure, far from it. I'm talking about what the women I have spoken with, have told me. I may not agree with what they say, but they did say it.

As far as Palin's future, she needs to gain some seasoning in the next 4 years, then we'll talk. If she fails to gather the 'chops' needed to compete, I don't see Ms. Sarah returning to the national scene.

[Susanna]

I'm probably the "most" intelligent woman I know - close to the most intelligent person I know - and she didn't turn me off. Maybe the woman you talked to were "intellectuals" rather than intelligent.

[SuddenImpact]

Originally Posted by Susanna

I'm probably the "most" intelligent woman I know - close to the most intelligent person I know - and she didn't turn me off. Maybe the woman you talked to were "intellectuals" rather than intelligent.

And modest, too.....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by SuddenImpact

And modest, too.....

Hey, some people tell the truth regardless of how it appears to others.
I see no reason to doubt her myself.
In fact I can say pretty much the same thing of myself with the exception
of my oldest brother.--TZS

[Fantasy Chaser]

Originally Posted by SuddenImpact

And modest, too.....

Actually, she is, relatively. She doesn't say things like this much, and she is smarter than most. Decades ago, she never had much self-confidence.