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    More Health Care Lies

    Would a government-run health plan upend the employer-based health insurance system used by 160 million Americans?

    The Democrats claim the answer is 'no'.

    Here's their rationalization:
    Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn., say their plan would preserve employer-sponsored insurance coverage and create an affordable public option for those who need it.

    "The ... bill virtually eliminates the dropping of currently covered employees from employer-sponsored health plans," Kennedy and Dodd said in a letter to members of the Health Committee, one of two Senate groups working on health reform.

    The bill includes a "pay or play" provision that would require employers to provide adequate coverage for their workers or subsidize a system that will.

    "Pay or play" would require companies to pay the government $750 per full-time worker per year ($375 for part-timers) if they don't offer health coverage, or if they offer "qualified" coverage but pay less than 60% of workers' premiums. Small businesses that employ fewer than 25 workers would be exempt.

    The Congressional Budget Office, which analyzed the legislation, estimated that by 2019 the same number of workers would be covered by employer-based plans as would otherwise be the case under the current system.

    "It tracks what we're seeing in Massachusetts," a senior Democratic aide on the Senate Health Committee said on a conference call with reporters.
    I've put the lie in bold. Why is it a lie? Anyone out there have a $750 a year health care plan? Anyone? I don't know of a plan for an individual that costs only $750. If there is, then there'd be no reason for any of this nonsense would there?

    And Kennedy and Dodd (and the Democrats), the supposed "experts" on health care know that very well. This is pure disingenuousness on their part. This is a blatant attempt to launch a lie to get them past a very important sticking point in the public perception of the bill.

    But the average - average - individual health care insurance cost in the US is almost $4,000. And then there's the cost of administering it.

    Hypothetical - you employ 100 people. Let's say your company pays full health care coverage at the national average (for simplicity sake, assume they all have individual policies). You have two people who administer the coverage at $35,000 each. Your total cost each year to cover your employees is $470,000.

    If you pay the federal government $750 per employee a year, your total cost is $75,000. But you can let the two people you've had administering your health care program go, saving $71,500 (includes -$1,500 for 2 less employees). Total cost of "pay or play" for you? $3,500 the first year ($73,500 vs. $470,000 every year afterward). In reality, however, it is a net savings of $466,500. You don't have to be a very good businessman to figure out that one do you?

    And remember - these figures only involve "individual" coverage. Family coverage is much more costly, but I see nothing from our two Senate experts which even addresses that. So obviously, the cost of the health care of 100 employees could be vastly more than my simplified example.

    No wonder we see corporations coming out now to back this sort of a program. For the vast majority of them, $750 per employee is a huge savings not to mention getting them out of the health care provision and administration business. They'll pay it gladly. If you like your doctor or your plan, tough beans. You're going on the government plan. And, of course, the administration will be more than happy to blame your problem on "greedy corporations."

    When they do, just consider the lie and the incentive it provides and then lay the blame precisely where it belongs. Not that it will do you any good where it concerns your present doctor and plan.

    Just another mendacious step along the road to single-payer brought to you by two lying Senators and backed by the CBO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyanna03 View Post
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    On topic National Review dissected Obama's creative exaggerations in his health care speech.
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    I'm guessing its under "education" simply because you would think any educated person would know that no matter what the GOV in general is infamous for waste and screwing up a sunny day. Which brings this to a point. The Dem's base on power seems to be brainwashing school students ( Stats are 1 in 14 teachers are Conservatives) and praying on the illiterates to promote there ideology. Add to that the Millions of people of generational Welfare recips and Bingo Education.

    I'm not the brightest person but common sense and basic math is my saving factor.

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