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    Quote Originally Posted by jjf3rd77 View Post
    because we have to get rid of ObamaCare and any other government regulation that prevents free market in Insurance. Come on, I thought you were a libertarian.
    How does that differ from the libertarian thought? You aren't making any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB87 View Post
    How does that differ from the libertarian thought? You aren't making any sense.
    That part does not, but the part about personal responsibility, drugs, getting rid of the FDA, and leaving the chance to opt-out of insurance is different. I have already explained this in my OP. GO back and re-read it. The FDA is fine health insurance systems need a bit of work, more freedom, and more coverage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNTRugby View Post
    99% of americans dont have cell phones and you can guarantee me that 99% of the poorest people in the nation have them?
    Overall ownership is 92%
    FWIW...75% of households under $30k in income have cell phones. The LOWEST demographic in ownership is those who have not completed high school.

    My best guess is that a lot of those poor households under $30k are elderly on both SS and medicare rather than the general population. The elderly prefer land lines in many cases.
    Source: Trends in Cell Phone Usage and Ownership | Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam View Post
    Overall ownership is 92%
    FWIW...75% of households under $30k in income have cell phones. The LOWEST demographic in ownership is those who have not completed high school.

    Source: Trends in Cell Phone Usage and Ownership | Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project

    and how many of those phone are the pay as you go type, how many are in lieu of land lines and how many have phones for all the household members. I wasnt trying to get into a cell phone debate just pointing out that dropping cell phones to fix our nations healthcare problem wouldnt work

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    Just providing some stats UNT since they seemed to be missing in the discussion. More answers to more questions are in the link I provided.
    For example...25% of households have CELL ONLY service and less than 2% have NO phone access of any kind.

    My own view on medical care is that we can do much to allow medical care to become CHEAPER through marketplace reforms. We already provide medical care to those who cannot afford it....and the elderly. Those who don't fall into either category should be held accountable for their own medical insurance/care decisions...but they also are penalized by a system rigged to cost them a lot and which is not responsive to market forces. They need HELP fixing the system but health care is not a right..it is a personal choice. I could go on...but I think both fiscal conservatives and libertarians are pretty close on this as a REALISTIC policy. Of course, in theory, eliminating both medicare and medicaid would be libertarian positions but practical politics isn't for the idealogues of either group!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam View Post
    My own view on medical care is that we can do much to allow medical care to become CHEAPER through marketplace reforms. We already provide medical care to those who cannot afford it....and the elderly. Those who don't fall into either category should be held accountable for their own medical insurance/care decisions...but they also are penalized by a system rigged to cost them a lot and which is not responsive to market forces. They need HELP fixing the system but health care is not a right..it is a personal choice. I could go on...but I think both fiscal conservatives and libertarians are pretty close on this as a REALISTIC policy. Of course, in theory, eliminating both medicare and medicaid would be libertarian positions but practical politics isn't for the idealogues of either group!
    thats where there is a fundamental difference between a lot of people. if you view healthcare as a privilege then, even with some level of govt subsidization, the majority of the poor will never be able to afford adequate coverage. The free market works great for bringing down the prices on elective procedures like lasik but necessary procedures have and will continue to rise in price. When healthcare is frun for profit the customers lose, when govt pays those for profit companies the customer loses even more and when the govt runs the whole show the customers lose the most. Its a complicated issue with so many layers and fundamental divides I'm not sure if we can ever end up with a fully functional and efficient healthcare system.

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    I'm just throwing this out there but.. Aren't most countries with free health care doing really well with that system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullsOnParade View Post
    I'm just throwing this out there but.. Aren't most countries with free health care doing really well with that system?
    not really a lot have major flaws, theres only 1 that works really well

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    Funny how Reagan got away with being a libertarian (nominally) in the Republican party.

    Many socialists have gotten into the Republican party with less opposition than Paul has received. FDR denounced Herbert Hoover for his big government policies in his campaign for the Presidency and once elected he expanded all of the bureaus, departments and agencies Hoover had created. Republicans really need to decide what they are before they decide who can join. Hoover is not an exception in this regard among Republican presidents and Republicans in other in offices.

    Paul is in the Republican party because it is the most practical way for him to run for the Presidency as well as perhaps to stay in congress. The whole argument is irrelevant, because if Paul's policies are not Republican policies, then they are better than Republican policies, and the Republican party should not even have people in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertarian View Post
    Funny how Reagan got away with being a libertarian (nominally) in the Republican party.
    What is your definition of a Reagan conservative? Why are they always counter to libertarians? It's because Reagan was NOT, I repeat NOT a libertarian!!!!!! I love how libertarians can twist things into their own little world. Why are you still spreading Ron Paul rhetoric? This thread has nothing to do with Ron Paul except for the fact that he should be in the libertarian party.
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