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    All their claims are sourced with external references, you can check them for yourself, and the guy you're probably going to vote for this year has said it numerous times. Romney and Gingrich both touted the individual mandate for years. It's on record. If you don't want to read it on Daily Kos, you can read it on Politifact. Romney still insists it was a great idea. So did a lot of other Republicans, including Bush 41 and the Republican Congressional leadership of the time. That's not even controversial information. It's just a fact that before they all decided it was a communist plot, Republicans used to love this idea. When your opinions require you to deny stuff like that, it's time to reconsider them IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caudipteryx View Post
    All their claims are sourced with external references, you can check them for yourself, and the guy you're probably going to vote for this year has said it numerous times. Romney and Gingrich both touted the individual mandate for years. It's on record. If you don't want to read it on Daily Kos, you can read it on Politifact. Romney still insists it was a great idea. So did a lot of other Republicans, including Bush 41 and the Republican Congressional leadership of the time. That's not even controversial information. It's just a fact that before they all decided it was a communist plot, Republicans used to love this idea. When your opinions require you to deny stuff like that, it's time to reconsider them IMO.
    This is my biggest problem with people these days. They find ANY reason not to accept facts if it doesn't already conform to what they WANT to believe.

    I'll say it for the Billionth time. You are all being duped by your acceptance of heresay as fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centered1 View Post
    This is my biggest problem with people these days. They find ANY reason not to accept facts if it doesn't already conform to what they WANT to believe.

    I'll say it for the Billionth time. You are all being duped by your acceptance of heresay as fact.
    I don't know what or who you are referring to, but I get the idea that YOU KNOW IT ALL???!

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    See, the fact is though, Obama will be able to sell this as a Republican idea.

    He did use Romney's plan as the model. He did have Romney's people as consultants. The general public is not awake enough to sort the other facts out. If Obamama does go this route, it will work.
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    This is funny. The Democrats that see the demise of their precious and most massive socialist overeach in American history on the horizon. Llike rats on a sinking ship, they a jumping off. They are shamelessly and blatantly lying and calling it a Republican idea to distasnce themselves from it.

    We can also see that their minions are such mindless zombies that they actually believe it.
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    Yes, the individual mandate is, historically, a Republican idea. Remember that the problem it seeks to address is access to health insurance. A single payor system addresses the access issue, but Republicans have historically sought to do so by means of market reforms. Key to any such reforms is the elimination of the "free rider" problem - where folks choose to go without insurance and are then hit by emergency or catastrophic care needs that hospitals are legally required to provide without compensation. Those uncompensated costs get passed on to others - primarily, the rest of us who act responsibly and obtain health insurance.

    The problem with ObamaCare isn't the individual mandate per se, but its insistence that every American obtain soup to nuts health coverage that covers far more than emergency and catastrophic care. ObamaCare doesn't just require you to have insurance to cover costs that hospitals are otherwise required to provide on an uncompensated basis. It requires you to purchase health insurance to cover free vaccinations, routine doctor's visits, prescription drugs, chiropractic care, and a host of other things that many would rationally choose to self-finance. (Just as no one rationally chooses to buy auto insurance that covers oil changes.)

    The individual mandate, so expanded by ObamaCare as to be the equivalent of a government mandate to "eat your broccoli", is likely unConstitutional. Which is unfortunate, since the SCOTUS is unlikely to base its ruling on the limiting principal noted above. And if the individual mandate is gone, then there will be little practical means to addressing the access issue other than to move to a single payor system, likely financed by general tax revenue rather than insurance premiums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centered1 View Post
    This is my biggest problem with people these days. They find ANY reason not to accept facts if it doesn't already conform to what they WANT to believe.
    I agree. It's sickening the way they wallow in fantasy like this. It's a well-documented fact that the individual mandate was supported by Bush 41, Newt Gingrich, and most of the Republicans in the House and Senate when they tried to push it on Americans in the early 90s. It's a fact that it failed, at that time, because Democrats didn't support it. Anyone who cares about the truth can check those facts for himself. But they don't care. They're having fun in their Alice-in-Wonderland fantasy and they don't want to leave it.

    ALL of the Republican Senators and Congressmen who cosponsored Bush's healthcare plan - "Chuck" Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Ted Stevens, not to mention Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich - are now acting like what they once tried to write into law is now nothing short of a communist plot to destroy America. It's their own idea! But they know they can lie because their voters don't care. They prefer the fantasy world created by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News over the real one the rest of us live in.
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    It's not just the Republicans, Caudi. The need to communicate complex ideas in 30-second soundbites requires the compression of the case against ObamaCare - which is a strong one - into an attack on the "liberty killing" individual mandate. Just as Democratic attacks against meritorious GOP entitlement reforms get reduced to 30-second jihads against "Social Darwinism" and throwing poor people and seniors out into the street.

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