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    “Women don’t Lie.” ~ Anonymous

    “Women don’t Lie.” ~ Anonymous
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    on May 9, 2011
    I cannot tell you my name because what I am about to talk about is an ongoing legal matter. I will tell you that I am a feminist. That I fought for the rights of women to be believed. I worked for a rape crisis center in the 80s. I helped organize and participated in Take Back the Night events. I am friends with therapists and activists who have worked tirelessly for the rights of women and children. I was sexually abused as a child, and it defined my life for a number of years.
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    Last year a woman, we’ll call her Sarah, accused my son of attempted sexual assault. She said, she thinks he tried to rape her. ...
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    Despite no evidence, despite the fact that she is obviously a troubled woman, despite other attempts by her in the past to accuse people of hurting her in some way, despite her own admissions of wanting to sue others still, despite my son’s spotless record and the support of myriad women who have known him for years, the state has chosen to pursue this “case.”

    If you think that women don’t lie to get back at men, how naive can you be? Yet we live in a culture of “women don’t lie,” a culture fostered by women’s groups since the 70s. A culture I helped create and support. A philosophy I believed.
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    I am now appalled to think that I was one of these women who thought that women don’t lie…and where there smoke there’s always a fire. Despite having raised a beautiful son, I was a sexist. Then I started doing research. There have been studies done since the 80s citing the percentage of rape allegations that are false. Some studies say as high as 60%. People who have been dealing with this for years have tried to tell us that women do lie. But we haven’t wanted to hear.
    I would say that this woman is a mugged liberal. Her son being falsely accused is what it took to think past bumper-sticker-grade slogans and realize what kind of monster she had helped create.

    The other side of this coin is that as false accusers get exposed - e.g. Crystal Mangum - their lies will make it harder for women who have been raped to get justice. Playing the Rape card, like playing the Race Card, will shield real rapists (and racists).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteS in CA View Post
    “Women don’t Lie.” ~ Anonymous
    Via elephantjournal.com
    on May 9, 2011

    I would say that this woman is a mugged liberal. Her son being falsely accused is what it took to think past bumper-sticker-grade slogans and realize what kind of monster she had helped create.

    The other side of this coin is that as false accusers get exposed - e.g. Crystal Mangum - their lies will make it harder for women who have been raped to get justice. Playing the Rape card, like playing the Race Card, will shield real rapists (and racists).
    The same is true for child abuse accusations.

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    Both genders have people who lie. False accusations of rape hurt real victims of rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candygirl View Post
    Both genders have people who lie. False accusations of rape hurt real victims of rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteS in CA View Post
    The other side of this coin is that as false accusers get exposed - e.g. Crystal Mangum - their lies will make it harder for women who have been raped to get justice. Playing the Rape card, like playing the Race Card, will shield real rapists (and racists).
    You just said a mouthful there. Well said. The bearing of false witness harms everyone, particularly the potential victims of the crime alleged.
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    Not only to false allegations hurt present true rape victims, it puts future rape victims at higher risk, as it leads rapists to believe they won't get caught.
    Law of unintended consequences. What is the MATTER with liberals that they can't EVER think things through to their eventual conclusions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    Not only to false allegations hurt present true rape victims, it puts future rape victims at higher risk, as it leads rapists to believe they won't get caught.
    Law of unintended consequences. What is the MATTER with liberals that they can't EVER think things through to their eventual conclusions?
    You can't ask for incredible leaps of logic from them. Start small. Ask them to think just one step further than they do now, and it'd do a world of good. We don't have to get them from "fire = hot" to the automobile. We just need them to stop burning the house down.

    Right now, the ends justify the means...and doing something is always better than doing nothing because it means you care. Standing up for any cause is admirable, because it's better than doing nothing (which is how they perceive people simply going to work and taking care of the family).

    That's why you can't set the bar too high. Logic isn't something they're used to.

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    All I'll say is.... there is a big big reason that men's rights issues are starting to pop up. I'm all for equal rights, but I'm convienced feminists don't want equal rights. They have that now. Their pushing for more rights to trump men's rights. Just look at divorce, parenting, rape, domestic violence laws and mens rights, and you'll see a vastly unbalanced legal system where the female gender clearly trumps the males in court. Males are guilty until proven innocent in these cases.
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    Many years ago I listened to an obvious liberal woman talk show host who normally did not go overboard on feminist issues but the very last time I listened to her show it was about a rape case.

    Everyone talked in generalities and one guy brought up the point of how men are automatically presumed guilty before any trial. The talk show host said; "why would a woman lie ?".

    Well, why does anyone lie ?

    That is when I knew we all were in trouble. Not allowing for the possibility of motive to lie, distorts everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maylar View Post
    All I'll say is.... there is a big big reason that men's rights issues are starting to pop up. I'm all for equal rights, but I'm convienced feminists don't want equal rights. They have that now. Their pushing for more rights to trump men's rights. Just look at divorce, parenting, rape, domestic violence laws and mens rights, and you'll see a vastly unbalanced legal system where the female gender clearly trumps the males in court. Males are guilty until proven innocent in these cases.
    You are right; the feminist movement did more harm to both men and women than any kind of good.

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