Gay right issues

[OSUPhantom]

For those in support of gay marriage...why is it ok for you to push your beliefs on me and my children? The morals of this country are all but gone. It is amazing to me that it has happened in my lifetime. My grandma was so much smarter than what I gave her credit for when I was young.
Here are the simple facts: gay marriage is not what everyone is so against...it is what comes with it - churches and priests, ministers, etc sued for not performing a wedding between those of the same sex. Christian schools sued for not allowing gay behavior on cdampus. Gay lifestyle being taught in school, and don't say it won't happen, cause it is happening in Mass. It is not so much the marriage, as the doors it opens. It is about knocking down the walls of morality one brick at a time. Here is a little gem that someone emailed me. This video from Planned Parenthood completely illustrates where this country is headed as far as what is becoming acceptable. THIS is what they are aiming at our kids...it is just short of pornographic. There are like 7 or 8 short (less than a minute) videos on teaching our teens how to have safe sex, and how to have sex in general...and it covers the whole gamet - from masturbation, to guys giving each other bj's without a condom.
I, for one, am never going to be ok with children in school being taught an agenda.

Why is it alright for you to push your views on America? You're doing the same thing you criticize others for. And gay lifestyles are not taught in Massachusetts schools...I was in them for 10 years....please research before spewing any random crap that comes to your mind please. I'm fine with legitimate arguements about pushing any sexuality in schools or sex being taught at yound ages, but blaming it on the push to allow gays to marry is bullcrap.

[Dacabeti]

Why is it alright for you to push your views on America? You're doing the same thing you criticize others for. And gay lifestyles are not taught in Massachusetts schools...I was in them for 10 years....please research before spewing any random crap that comes to your mind please. I'm fine with legitimate arguements about pushing any sexuality in schools or sex being taught at yound ages, but blaming it on the push to allow gays to marry is bullcrap.

Do you support a persons right to marry an animal? If you dont then your just another gay monkey trying to force your views on everyone else.

Now before you come back with the tired "You hate gays" argument let me stop you by saying. I don't care if a person in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with an elephant while a midget sings "we are the world" while shoving a twinky in his ear. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is no ones business as long as its not hurting anyone.

Its when you try to push your beliefs on others that its offensive to me. And don't even try to tell me a bunch of rope smokers are not trying to push their deviant views on me, I grew up in the Bay area and have seen far to many Gay rights parades.

U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf ruled that normalizing homosexuality to young children is "reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy". The school in question was Estabrook Elementry in Lexington, Mass. Wolf also ruled that parents could not opt out of this class on behalf of their childern "An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students,".

Seems you should check your facts before "spewing any random crap that comes to your mind please".

[Maylar]

If this thread get's out of hand like all the other gay threads, I will close it.

The last time I got involved in one of these threads, things got out of hand. >< Debating this issue no matter where you stand is like playing with fire.

[fishoutofwater]

Why is it alright for you to push your views on America? You're doing the same thing you criticize others for. And gay lifestyles are not taught in Massachusetts schools...I was in them for 10 years....please research before spewing any random crap that comes to your mind please. I'm fine with legitimate arguements about pushing any sexuality in schools or sex being taught at yound ages, but blaming it on the push to allow gays to marry is bullcrap.

Please explain to me how I am pushing my views on anyone? I am all for live and let live, but I do not want my rights walked on for an agenda. Schools have no right to teach something to my kids that I totally disagree with. And, yes, according to this article, it is being taught, and the parents who objected were told that they have no choice. It is interesting that children can excercise their freedom to not say the flag salute, but parents have no say in whether their children are taught about same sex families? Here is the article:

US Supreme Court denies parents’ appeal to stop teaching gay tolerance in Massachusetts schools

Published 9 October 2008 News (World) Leave a Comment
Tags: education/schools, law

Source: The School Law Blog,
6 Oct 2008 By Mark Walsh
Supreme Court Denies Parents’ Appeal on Teaching Tolerance for Gay Marriage
The U.S. Supreme Court today declined to review several education cases, including the appeal of two Massachusetts families of a lower court decision that a school district did not violate their rights by exposing children to books promoting tolerance for gay marriage and families led by same-sex couples.
The case was one of hundreds the justices refused to review on the first formal day of their new term.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit, in Boston, had ruled unanimously in January that the Lexington, Mass., school system did not violate the rights of the parents or children by exposing them to books that they found objectionable on religious grounds.
One family objected to their child being presented in kindergarten and 1st grade with two books that portrayed diverse families, including families with same-sex parents. The other family objected to a 2nd grade teacher’s reading to their son’s class a book that celebrated gay marriage.
The families challenged the school system’s refusal to provide them with prior notice of such lessons and to allow their children to be exempted from them until 7th grade. Their suit cited their First Amendment free exercise of religion rights and their parental and privacy rights under the 14th Amendment’s due-process clause.
In a lengthy Jan. 31 opinion, the 1st Circuit panel said, “There is no free exercise right to be free from any reference in public elementary schools to the existence of families in which the parents are of different gender combinations.”
Regarding the student who heard a reading on gay marriage, the court said there was no evidence the school system had sought to indoctrinate the boy on the issue or require him “to affirm gay marriage.”
“Public schools are not obliged to shield individual students from ideas which potentially are religiously offensive, particularly when the school imposes no requirement that the student agree with or affirm those ideas,” the court said.
In their appeal, the parents said their rights to direct the upbringing of their children, as the Supreme Court interpreted them in two 1920s-era cases, �preclude a public school from egregiously usurping the parental role in religious and moral matters of the utmost importance.�
The justices declined without comment to hear the appeal in Parker v. Hurley (Case No. 07-1368), and their action is not a ruling on the merits of the case.

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[OSUPhantom]

Do you support a persons right to marry an animal? If you dont then your just another gay monkey trying to force your views on everyone else.

Now before you come back with the tired "You hate gays" argument let me stop you by saying. I don't care if a person in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with an elephant while a midget sings "we are the world" while shoving a twinky in his ear. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is no ones business as long as its not hurting anyone.

Its when you try to push your beliefs on others that its offensive to me. And don't even try to tell me a bunch of rope smokers are not trying to push their deviant views on me, I grew up in the Bay area and have seen far to many Gay rights parades.

U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf ruled that normalizing homosexuality to young children is "reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy". The school in question was Estabrook Elementry in Lexington, Mass. Wolf also ruled that parents could not opt out of this class on behalf of their childern "An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students,".

Seems you should check your facts before "spewing any random crap that comes to your mind please".

So gay people are animals? I don't care how you feel about gays, this debate is about gays right to be together, you turned it into the schools issue. How are they trying to push their views on you? Because they want to marry? Wow, totally brainwashing nonsense...This school in question is also ONE school. It was made to seem as though the entire state held these policies.

[Lithium]

Do you support a persons right to marry an animal? If you dont then your just another gay monkey trying to force your views on everyone else.

An animal cant consent to marriage. That argument is done.

Please explain to me how I am pushing my views on anyone?

OSU is right. You people are the ones pushing your views on the world. The gay people arent. You guys are the ones saying "no, thats wrong and you cant do it". Homosexuals arent doing that. They arent asking you to not marry eachother, marry certain people, or saying what your doing is wrong. You are...

[fishoutofwater]

An animal cant consent to marriage. That argument is done.



OSU is right. You people are the ones pushing your views on the world. The gay people arent. You guys are the ones saying "no, thats wrong and you cant do it". Homosexuals arent doing that. They arent asking you to not marry eachother, marry certain people, or saying what your doing is wrong. You are...

No...we are not pushing our views. You are reading only what you want to read. I have said that I don't care what they do, but I do not want it taught to my kids in school and with the legalization of gay marriage, that is what will happen. If you do not understand how that is pushing an agenda, then you are hopeless. Civil Unions are legal...be happy with those and leave my kids out of your "movement".

[Rightwing Nutjob]

Looks like it's halfway out of hand now, EV. Anway....

Too bad this is a government issue. We wouldn't be having this discussion at all if the government's nose was kept where it belongs -- out of our lives.

It would be a social argument, yes, which is where it belongs.

I don't care if a person in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with an elephant while a midget sings "we are the world" while shoving a twinky in his ear.

This made me

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[Dacabeti]

So gay people are animals? I don't care how you feel about gays, this debate is about gays right to be together, you turned it into the schools issue. How are they trying to push their views on you? Because they want to marry? Wow, totally brainwashing nonsense...This school in question is also ONE school. It was made to seem as though the entire state held these policies.

Comprehension issues?

I am saying that if you allow one deviant behavior you must allow ALL deviant behavior otherwise you are pushing your views on others.

You are the one that said that Mass was not doing the school thing. I posted proof that it was. I always thought OSU's education was lacking. Thanks for the proof.

[Volk]

I am saying that if you allow one deviant behavior you must allow ALL deviant behavior otherwise you are pushing your views on others.

"Deviant" is subjective. The deviance of an issue is not relevant. Two adult males can give consent. Animals can not.