British libraries to put Koran on top shelf, at Muslims’ request

[Drummond]

Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

I asked because I was curious if you were living stateside and experiencing the obama madness or if you are just observing from afar. It lets me know what you have invested in America. It's a bit different for those who are governed by this idiot than those who are not.

Forgive me if I have not subscribed to reading your lengthy posts since you joined. I have a life and can't possibly read everything here.

What defensiveness, Peapod ?

I basically agree with you on one point - it IS different, and maybe more than a bit, for someone not governed by your POTUS compared with someone who is. Fair point.

But it's maybe not entirely that simple, either.

America is a world leader. We've a saying here .. 'if America sneezes, we catch a cold'. A surprising amount of what happens in America has implications for all of us.

... the Credit Crunch is one good example. The whole world is feeling the effects of that one !! And what America does about it must have a knock-on effect for everyone else. Stocks and shares, for example. And companies with a parent base in the US which have subsidiaries in other continents. Stuff like that.

But I'm also taking this on from the other side of the coin. You're now newly experiencing a Left-wing leader who'll impose his own agenda. Well ... we've suffered Socialism since 1997 here !!! So .. (a) I sympathise enormously, and (b) I think I've input to offer which will give you a taste of things to come.

In fact, I know I have. On the forum I've come from, I spent much time showing others just HOW bad Socialism can be for a country !! Maybe, for those interested and who can put up with tiresomely long posts, I'll do the same here and maybe serve a useful purpose here ?

I do take your point about my long posts !! I'm sorry about that. I'll consider trying to make them more reader-friendly.

Thanks for your comments.

[peapod]

What defensiveness, Peapod ?

I basically agree with you on one point - it IS different, and maybe more than a bit, for someone not governed by your POTUS compared with someone who is. Fair point.

You were being defensive when I asked if you lived here. I have a feeling you thought I was going somewhere else with that question and that's why you got defensive in your post.

But it's maybe not entirely that simple, either.

nothing ever is

America is a world leader. We've a saying here .. 'if America sneezes, we catch a cold'. A surprising amount of what happens in America has implications for all of us.

... the Credit Crunch is one good example. The whole world is feeling the effects of that one !! And what America does about it must have a knock-on effect for everyone else. Stocks and shares, for example. And companies with a parent base in the US which have subsidiaries in other continents. Stuff like that.

funny how foreign conservatives admit this, but foreign liberals constantly tell America to go away.

But I'm also taking this on from the other side of the coin. You're now newly experiencing a Left-wing leader who'll impose his own agenda. Well ... we've suffered Socialism since 1997 here !!! So .. (a) I sympathise enormously, and (b) I think I've input to offer which will give you a taste of things to come.

In fact, I know I have. On the forum I've come from, I spent much time showing others just HOW bad Socialism can be for a country !! Maybe, for those interested and who can put up with tiresomely long posts, I'll do the same here and maybe serve a useful purpose here ?

no, this is not a "new" left-wing leader. He's an extension of the ego and balls Clinton had when he was in office in the 90's, but with a bit more of an evil twist and more willing lackeys to push his agenda through.

[Emperor Dragon ARX]

The ass in me would go, "Oh yea?" ::places book on bottom shelf::

I probably wouldn't make a good diplomat. heh

Maylar, I'd be more of an ass than you. I'd do exactly as they say, throw the Koran so far up on the book-shelves, not a single one would be able to reach it without needing a ladder and all that.

Hell, I'd put it in a safe and claim that "the Koran is so holy it must be protected any man that all future Korans must be in a perma-locked safe." XD

[Emperor Dragon ARX]

Alas, the Constitution hasn't been adhered to worth a hoot since Wilson's socialist butt was elected.

Fix'd.

[Drummond]

Hah !! Peapod, you do make good points.

Your answer on the 'defensiveness' part .. on reflection you're right. I didn't so much think I was being 'defensive', but rather, cautious. But they amount to the same thing. So, agreed.

'funny how foreign conservatives admit this, but foreign liberals constantly tell America to go away.'

'Funny' is one word. 'Infuriating' might be another ? I'd say to that one that foreign liberals have so much inbuilt hostility towards you that this is pretty much inevitable - unfortunately.

And you can see why that is. Every success you have and enjoy testifies to the success-story that America invariably is on the world stage. The Left will HATE that because all that rubs their noses into the dirt of their own highly inferior (putting it mildly !) political belief-system.

Your country is a working model of success which trounces what they claim for their own so-called superiority. So what they can't accept, they reject, like petulant kids. It's their problem .. but they'll never see that, of course.

... Tough ...

Point taken on your final comment too. Stupid of me to overlook what you went through with Clinton. And on that, I've nothing useful to say, as you'll have a better insight than I could hope to have.

[Fantasy Chaser]

'Fantasy Chaser' ... I don't know what to say. If what you say is accurate, then if anything our two countries have too much in common.

I've had the impression that qualities survive not only intact but thrive, that we in the UK are already fast losing entirely. A sense of patriotism, a pride in one's nation, for example .. try expressing that over here and some ethnic minority will accuse you of an antisocial act ...

The sense I've long since had about America is that foundling principles survive and pride in them still exists - and more, that to express that pride and be very vocal about it is deemed meritworthy and not deserving of near-automatic censure !!

Here, patriotic spirit is pretty much downtrodden, which is why people just concentrate on their own lives, content not to be very concerned at all about any bigger picture. But .. SURELY .. that is different in America ?

America is THE world's leader !! How can that not carry with it a total sense of worth, underpinned by your Constitution, which defines what you stand for as a People ?

One of the philosophies that I have about America is to look to Great Britain or (oftentimes worse) California to see what's coming to America. Unfortunately, for many of us, national pride and a belief in the Constitution is a ghastly mixture of lip service without understanding, and twisted reinterpretation. That's why (for an example) the left somehow gets "the right to have a National Guard" out of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

Fix'd.

I'm a lot more familiar with what FDR did to us.

[Drummond]

One of the philosophies that I have about America is to look to Great Britain or (oftentimes worse) California to see what's coming to America. Unfortunately, for many of us, national pride and a belief in the Constitution is a ghastly mixture of lip service without understanding, and twisted reinterpretation. That's why (for an example) the left somehow gets "the right to have a National Guard" out of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."


I'm a lot more familiar with what FDR did to us.

I don't have a lot of substance to reply with .. but I agree that watching UK politics will do much to warn you of what may well occur in the US.

Socialism, by its nature, is a movement having aims which transcend any consideration of national boundaries .. which is in part why voting Socialist is a way of selling out your country ! The ultimate dream of hardline Socialism is to see all national boundaries done away with .. and our own Labour Party over here in the UK has worked hard to satisfy that agenda. Why, they've actually made sure of it that we are signed up to the Lisbon Treaty, an EU treaty that is designed to bleed Governmental powers of member States to central control from Brussels !!

We were promised a referendum on signing the treaty .. a promise reneged upon repeatedly by the Socialists in power. Be assured that the Socialist dream is to disempower and to rule you, not in accordance with US foundling principles, but through a wholly alien structure which has only contempt for the US as the US.

You still have the freedom to own guns as a core citizens' right. Never in my living memory has the same been true in Britain. But then, we've been intermittently dominated by Socialism for several decades.