Anyone else voting for McCain but not Palin?

[Kat]

Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Can I regain favor if I start accusing other people of being witches?

By the way, I saw NWtrainman76 making a pact with the devil!

Are you in kindergarten or something? Don't you have America's Next Top Model to watch? If I call you a moron enough times will it eventually become fact?

Sounds like somebody needs a nap.

[Dacabeti]

I actually think he made a couple of valid points. I dont agree with them, but he did make a few points.

I'd like to see where this conversation could go.

[ThinFoil]

Politics should never be a career, everyone that has made a career of it is beholding to some lobby.

True, it shouldn't be a career. However, I could say that for myself and the general people I associate with; we don't have any sort of qualifications for office. Perhaps a local office, because for that, local issues are much more important and things like international politics are non sequitur. We're not writing ourselves in for president though.

Palin has not convinced me she knows much about foreign affairs. She hasn't convinced me she understands what's going on with Russia, Georgia, South Ossetia. She has convinced me that she is willing to make executive decisions regarding these despite her lack of knowledge. The amount of time she has spent working for the state doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me is whether she knows exactly how to protect America from her enemies, not just whether she's willing to do it.

Again, little evidence has been presented to me contrary to this viewpoint. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I'm just looking for people who might disagree with me and might be able to back up their reasoning (hence why I posted a thread).

Book banning? Come on man, that lie has been laid to rest a few times. Half the books on the list of lies were not even published when she tried to "ban them".

Point taken!
snopes.com: Books Banned by Sarah Palin
My fault, burden of proof was on me. You're absolutely right.

What is your data for a loyalty test?

According to FactCheck.org (should I not be using this?), she asked for the resignation of several department heads while mayor. Palin supposedly called this a loyalty test. With respect to books, she asked for the resignation of the librarian a second time, and questioned her on book censorship. I am pretty confident that she did ask for the resignation, though she may have had a good reason.

Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation, along with those of Wasilla’s other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief

Oh noes a slip up in an interview. We should abandon every single canidate that ever has a bumbling moment. Its not like McCain, Barry or Biden has ever had a slip up? So whats McCain done to put Putin in his place so far? is that a cricket I hear?

Again, I don't get riled up by slip ups. I just haven't seen any interview go well for her (Hannity, Gibson, Couric). Maybe the upcoming debate will change my mind.

[Fantasy Chaser]

1.I really hate the term Maverick but I almost wish McCain could take it literally and go into the White House by himself.

2.Does anyone else feel this way?

1. Many of us would like Palin without McCain.
2. Nope.

No, I don't feel this way at all. Sarah Palin is precisely the reason why I'm behind McCain. I would have voted for him anyway because there is no way in hell I would vote for the Obamamaniac, but now I'm voting for him with confidence. You can't fairly judge Palin by one interview when Perky Katie was clearly gunning for her.

uhm, helllllooo. Everyone knows Palin doesn't wear the protective tinfoil hat! Of course her kids could have been conceived on an alien space craft! Everybody knows that!

Obviously. The Magnaclams sometimes give space rides to nice people.

The only reason Conservatives will vote for McCain is because of Palin, without us Conservatives McCain doesn't have a chance. Personally I wish he would step aside and let Palin have the Presidential Nomination.

Not here

watch it.

Yeah, your new nickname is Pearl!

[Dacabeti]

True, it shouldn't be a career. However, I could say that for myself and the general people I associate with; we don't have any sort of qualifications for office. Perhaps a local office, because for that, local issues are much more important and things like international politics are non sequitur. We're not writing ourselves in for president though.

Palin has not convinced me she knows much about foreign affairs. She hasn't convinced me she understands what's going on with Russia, Georgia, South Ossetia. She has convinced me that she is willing to make executive decisions regarding these despite her lack of knowledge. The amount of time she has spent working for the state doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me is whether she knows exactly how to protect America from her enemies, not just whether she's willing to do it.

Again, little evidence has been presented to me contrary to this viewpoint. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I'm just looking for people who might disagree with me and might be able to back up their reasoning (hence why I posted a thread).

My original point is that some of our best Presidents have had less experience then she has had and did a wonderful job. The only thing that matters to me is that she listens to those around her that have the knowledge she needs. Bush surrounded himself with yesmen and look what a mess we have now.

Point taken!
snopes.com: Books Banned by Sarah Palin
My fault, burden of proof was on me. You're absolutely right.

fair enough

According to FactCheck.org (should I not be using this?), she asked for the resignation of several department heads while mayor. Palin supposedly called this a loyalty test. With respect to books, she asked for the resignation of the librarian a second time, and questioned her on book censorship. I am pretty confident that she did ask for the resignation, though she may have had a good reason.


Again, I don't get riled up by slip ups. I just haven't seen any interview go well for her (Hannity, Gibson, Couric). Maybe the upcoming debate will change my mind.

I have not looked into factcheck.org so I will not comment on which way they lean.

I tend not to get upset to much when a Mayor does her job and fires those that are not doing theirs, however I am not 100% sure that they were neglegent in their jobs, but the burden of proof is on them. I really dont have an issue with a loyalty test. I run a gaming community and a hosting company. I use people that are loyal to my goals. I am willing to bet that you would be hard pressed to find any person that does not have some kind of loyalty test. We as humans want to make sure that those that work for us or even associate with us are loyal.

I too am looking forward to the debate Thursday night. If she does poorly, then maybe I am wrong about her. I suspect that she will mop the floor with Biden.

[McCain/Palin2008]

Nope. Absolutely don't feel like you do. I LOVE McCain and I love Palin. I'm sorry you feel otherwise. :)

[Bucks]

I have a real problem with people criticizing Palin for firing department heads.


In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the federal government (actually all levels of government) is the inability to get rid of dead wood.

Bureaucrats are so entrenched, that the word "efficient" has no meaning in most government departments.

I have personally witnessed lower level government employees undermine elected officials and be insulated from removal.

One only need look at the recent firing of federal attorneys. They all serve at the pleasure of the president, but democrats play politics and try to pretend there is something wrong with trying to maintain accountability.
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[Right Wing]

I'm going to come out and say it, I think she's horribly unqualified and I think people who disagree are fooling themselves. Maybe she'd do fine as VP. Maybe she'd even do great as president. But there's no data to support this hypothesis!

Yes, the same can be said of Obama, which is partly why I want McCain to be president. But just because the dems feel like it's OK to put a newbie in office doesn't mean it's OK for us!!

I try to be scientific, rational. Obama says he will do things like reduce taxes, but the data (his voting records) doesn't support this.
The data on Palin says she'll support earmarks if they're popular. It says she'll impose loyalty tests. It says she'll try to ban books. We're America! Banning books in a public library is anti-freedom to me. People talk about integrity and values but whatever happened to intelligence? Isn't the combination of both why we picked McCain? Why is it suddenly that only one of them enough? Why did we lower our standards like the democrats did?

Palin says she can stand up to anything, but she can't stand up to Katie Couric in an interview without bumbling around. In contrast, Putin's a friggin scary guy, honestly McCain is probably the only politician who can put him in his place. I would be petrified if Palin needed to meet with Putin, especially in anything less than cordial terms. Call me sexist if you want, but she hasn't had a single dialogue which made me confident that she knew what she was talking about.

I really hate the term Maverick but I almost wish McCain could take it literally and go into the White House by himself.



Does anyone else feel this way?

Apparantly not. Palin would not abuse earmarks, McCain would be president anyway and has shown he won't abuse earmarks, yet Obama and Biden are the ones who would. In fact, McCain has an incredibly high tax payer friendly rating with the Citizens Against Government Abuse, while Obama and Biden are rated incredibly low. In fact, Biden, I believe, received a 0 rating for last year.

As far as banning books, it is not true.

Sarah Palin Never Fired The Librarian and The Banned Books List is Bogus [1]

The website where the original smear started, Librarian.Net [3], says the banned books list is bogus [2] and came from an old University list of banned books [5].

there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.

The "banned books list" includes books that were published after 1996 (like Harry Potter).

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons (now Baker), was not fired [10] but instead resigned [4] in August 1999, two months before Palin was voted into her second term.

We ask Mr. Obama to denounce these smears and to remove them from his website immediately.

Sources:

• [1] Main investigative work by Michelle Malkin
• [2] Librarian.Net
• [3] Librarian.Net Poster Jessamyn West
• [4] Pacific Northwest Library Association Resignation announcement August 31, 1999
• [5] Florida International
• [6] Mayor Palin: A Rough Record Time Magazine article.
• [7] Obama's website furthering the smear
• [8] New York Times, Palin's Start in Alaska: Not Politics as Usual says "Ms. Plain fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office"
• [9] Alaska Daily News article
• [10] Alaska Daily News Palin sent resignation request letters to all 5 department heads, including the head librarian, when she took on the mayor's job. 4 of 5 stayed on, including the librarian.

[Right Wing]

Nope. Absolutely don't feel like you do. I LOVE McCain and I love Palin. I'm sorry you feel otherwise. :)

I agree.

Country First!

Go McCain! Go Palin!

McCain/Palin '08

[Right Wing]

I have a real problem with people criticizing Palin for firing department heads.


In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the federal government (actually all levels of government) is the inability to get rid of dead wood.

Bureaucrats are so entrenched, that the word "efficient" has no meaning in most government departments.

I have personally witnessed lower level government employees undermine elected officials and be insulated from removal.

One only need look at the recent firing of federal attorneys. They all serve at the pleasure of the president, but democrats play politics and try to pretend there is something wrong with trying to maintain accountability.
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I agree. If firing department heads of state departments is within the job description, why shouldn't she do it if necessary? It sounds like it is necessary regarding the firing of the safety commissioner and investigating the trooper.

On 3/1/06, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten was suspended for 5 days following an investigation. Wooten was reprimanded for four instances of violating laws and department rules dating to 2001. He is back at work.

Palin's daughter, Bristol, alledgedly witnessed Wooten use a Taser on his stepson, Palin's nephew Payton. Wooten 3rd wife at the time was Sarah Palin's little sister Molly.

In a May 2005 police report, Palin has alledged that Wooten made a death threat against her father "I'm gonna f****ing kill your Dad", I'm gonna shoot him", "he's gonna eat an f***ing lead bullet".

Two and one half years later, Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was fired by Palin in July 2008 after he declined a transfer to become the director of the state alcohol control board. Palin says he didn't do enough to fill trooper vacancies and battle alcohol abuse issues.

A Palin political rival, Andrew Halcro, the man who lost to Palin in the 2006 governor's race, was the first to accuse Palin in a blog post titled "Why Walt Monegan got fired: Palin's Abuse of Power". Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan says Palin never told him to fire the trooper.

Wooten still works for the Alaska State Troopers.

Update: 9/5/2008 CNN Interview
Trooper Mike Wooten was interviewed on CNN on 9/5/2008 where he admitted to the following activities that he had been disciplined for:

• Tasering his 10 year old stepson
• Shooting a moose illegally

He denied the following:

• Drinking in a police car
• Threatening to kill Palin's father

He also said he had subsequently married and then divorced his 4th wife.