Michael Jackson Dies!!

[samspade]

Originally Posted by the_conservative_otaku

Umm, quite some interesting opinions I've read about concerning Michael's death. I will point out first that it is rather unfortunate that the entertainment industry has lost two big names in the same day. I'm not going to defend Michael concerning the child molestation cases, but I will have my say when it comes to his career. While it was a bit sidetracked by all of the allegations and other problems including his family as well as his kids, he was a cultural icon. Not to worry, any albums that come out as a tribute to him will be eaten by the fans.

Any one want to bet that Obama will give more attention to Jackson dying than he did for that soldier who was killed? The one who was killed by the Muslim convert in the U.S.

Soldier killed after Muslim convert opens fire on U.S army recruiting centre | Mail Online

[Mr. Thomas Teague]

Originally Posted by Fantasy Chaser

Okay, so what the hell was the cause of death? Accident? Illness? Peeing on an electric transformer?

All of the above plus too much plastic and bleach in the blood stream and improper air flow.

I think that wacko jacko would have staged something like this in the 1980's when people would have cared.

[Lithium]

Originally Posted by Dupin

I am saddened by his passing.

Even though I am aware of the charges of pedophilia against him I understand him better than many because I spent three decades in the world he grew up in. Consider the following.

He was born to a couple who were in the Jenovah's Witnesses. His father was by acconts very domineering and even possibly abusive in a religion where the husband is head of the house and can do pretty much whatever he wants to his wife and children without fear of church discipline. Wife beating and child molestation were, and often still are, swept under the rug to protect the image of the organization. That often happens in religions which are as controling and insular as the Witnesses. Think that over because I dare not post the obvious possibilities.

Another thing about the Witnesses is that at the time Mr. Jackson decided to train his boys for and pusrue for them a successful career in entertainment his decision was a big no-no as far as the Watchtower was concerned, period. Already successful celeberties who decided to convert to that faith were required to give up their careers and use their wealth to pursue the "full-time" door to door preaching, no xceptions. Those already in were highly discouraged from netering lucrative careers such as the entertainment industry and sports. Even more so, they were also highly discouraged from entering college to gain the chance at better paying jobs. At the time Michael was born the organization even often discouraged youths from finishing highschool.

So add to the alledged abuse from Michael's father the ostrcism his family likely endured because of their pursuit of fame and fortune an the picture isn't very pretty. It was enough to warp most anybody. I write this not to excuse any sin or crime he may have comitted but to explain. I've been there because when I decided to get a post- highschool education I and my family were informally ostarcized as well.

Michael and his families became trailblazers in that they demonstrated that one could defy the edicts of the organization in that area and remain in the organization if one chose, though most of them endedc up leaving it anyway. And at least one of them to join the Black Muslims wh are every bi as controlling as the Watchtower.

Since then others have trod the same path which before had been closed, such as Selena and the Williams sisters. And that despite Serena posing nude for sports illustrated, something which would earn most sisters in the organization a disfellowshiping so fat their head would spin off. Celebereties such as Prince have been allowed to keep their careers. So Michael and his family have done something positive in that regard.

Michael's life spun out of control after he lost his grounding, his faith. It is rumored among the Witnesses that just about the time of the release of the album Thriller the governing body of the Watchtower, the JW equivalent of the Poped and the college of cardinals, approached him and tried to dictate what sort of music and videos he could do. The details have never come out but I nderstand that he dissociated himself from the Witnesses because he and the church leaders couldn't come to an mutual agreement on the issue. Then, as now, one who does that is dead as far as tr other witnesses are concerned. They are not even allowed to acknowledge such a person exists even if they encounter them face to face on thr street.

The Witnesses are taught that those cast out of the faith or who leave itare already judged as dea by God and will die at Armaggedon or not receive a ressurrection if they die. Since Michael fervently believed that, he ended up losing whatever moral compass he had and his life spun out of control resulting in his bizzare behavior. That often happens to those cast out of the JWs. It's just that Michael's fame made the sad results a very public spectacle, some which doesn't happen with most since they have little or no fame or money.

So I am saddened by his passing and pity the man as well. He never found the grounding he needed to live a normal life. I also refuse to judge him as that is God's job and not mine. Recall that in his sermon on the mountwe are encouraged not to judge others lest we receive an adverse judgement ourselves.

Dupin

P.S. Please excuse my misspellings. I am still recovering from being temporarily blind and don't see so well. I also don't have the stamina right now to go back and do the extensive corrections needed.

Finally someone who has some sense. I'm not trying to justify what Michael allegedly did, but the guys childhood was pretty much ruined from day one. For real, legit ruined. It caused a downward spiral that continued to this day.

The man did alot of good with his music, and is one of the best entertainers of all time. There is no disputing that so dont even try. Will I remember him and fondly as I would had he not alledgelly been a pedophile? No. Will I still remember him fondly based on the music he did? Yeah, no doubt...

[Emperor Dragon ARX]

Originally Posted by Lithium

Finally someone who has some sense. I'm not trying to justify what Michael allegedly did, but the guys childhood was pretty much ruined from day one. For real, legit ruined. It caused a downward spiral that continued to this day.

Yes, cause someone has a bad childhood it excuses their behavior otherwise. [/sarcasm]

The man did alot of good with his music, and is one of the best entertainers of all time. There is no disputing that so dont even try. Will I remember him and fondly as I would had he not alledgelly been a pedophile? No. Will I still remember him fondly based on the music he did? Yeah, no doubt...

As I said earlier, he's no better than Barry Manilow. My ass could sing better than him by farts.

[DamnYankee]

May the Queen of Pop RIP.

[Rightwing Nutjob]

Originally Posted by RET423

I am amazed that a Ron Paul supporter would dare criticize "pro-life" people considering your hero thinks that babies don't qualify for Constitutional rights and can be killed without remorse.

Good grief. Every opportunity, huh? Ya'll should find out what Ron Paul believes before you disparage him. Ron Paul on abortion:

Abortion is murder

A popular academic argument for abortion demands that we think of the child in the womb as a parasite.but the same argument justifies infanticide, since it applies just as well to an infant outside the womb.newborns require even more attention & care.

People ask an expectant mother how her baby is doing. They do not ask how her fetus is doing, or her blob of tissue, or her parasite. But that is what her baby becomes as soon as the child is declared to be unwanted.

Originally Posted by newshutr

And there's a difference between how we treat RP and how the libs treated Bush. RP deserves it.

Yeah, go Bush! Nice bailout, man! Great education reform! Awesome job funneling money out of citizens' pockets through government accounts and into private charities. That makes welfare all better. /snore

Originally Posted by newshutr

Now go fap yourself silly at Stormfront..

Yeah, RP and his followers are clearly racists and national socialists (and whatever the term of the day is for those folks' command economic models).

Originally Posted by Lithium

The man did alot of good with his music, and is one of the best entertainers of all time.... Will I still remember him fondly based on the music he did? Yeah, no doubt...

Sorry to pick on your guy, but his music sucked. His whole career sucked. But I'm certain I'm in the minority on this one seeing how huge his career was. Oh, well, Michaelmania for a few days, I suppose.

[Emperor Dragon ARX]

Originally Posted by DamnYankee

May the Pedoqueen of Pop RIP.

Fix'd!

[RET423]

[quote]Good grief. Every opportunity, huh? Ya'll should find out what Ron Paul believes before you disparage him.[\quote]



Ron Paul SAYS he is opposed to abortion, then he goes on to say that it should be an issue the states deal with individually.

As I said, he does not consider babies as qualified for Constitutional rights, if he did he would support ending it at the federal level.

[Rightwing Nutjob]

The states deal with murder, theft and assault, not the federal government. It's the proper place for anti-abortion laws to be passed under our Constitution and our system of government. This does not make him or anyone who supports that viewpoint pro-abortion.

His efforts have included an attempt to force abortion off the federal table, forcing an end to Roe v. Wade, creating the possibility of actually outlawing this form of murder -- A possibility that does not exist until Roe v. Wade is overturned and destroyed.

[RET423]

Originally Posted by Rightwing Nutjob

The states deal with murder, theft and assault, not the federal government. It's the proper place for anti-abortion laws to be passed under our Constitution and our system of government. This does not make him or anyone who supports that viewpoint pro-abortion.

Absolutely wrong, it is the responsibility of the federal government to protect the citizens Constitutional rights.
Any politician that thinks abortion is a states issue does not believe that babies are entitled to Constitutional rights.

Do you believe all our rights are dependent on whether a particular state decides to let us have them, or just a babies right to live?