Thread: Face of Abu Graihb 'struggling'
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07-02-2009 01:59 AM #1
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Face of Abu Graihb 'struggling'
....Former Army reservist Lynndie England hasn't landed a job in numerous tries: When one restaurant manager considered hiring her, other employees threatened to quit.She doesn't like to travel: Strangers point and whisper, "That's her!"
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It's difficult to forget the pictures that shocked millions in 2004: In one, she holds a restraint around a man's neck; in another, she's giving a thumbs-up and pointing at the genitals of naked, hooded men, a cigarette dangling from her mouth.
"They think that I was like this evil torturer. ... I wasn't," she says. "People don't realize I was just in a photo for a split second in time."
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"We were just pawns," said England, who's appealing her conviction and has her next hearing in July. "People were just playing us."
A jury of five Army officers, however, rejected England's claims that she was only following orders and trying to please the father of her child, former Cpl. Charles Graner Jr., who's currently imprisoned for his role.
Christopher Graveline, the lead prosecutor at her trial and now an assistant federal prosecutor in Michigan, said England and the other defendants are free to present their side to the media.
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07-02-2009 12:15 PM #2
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I wouldn't expect anything different. She really doesn't have the ability to complain about being discriminated.
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07-02-2009 12:34 PM #3
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So FREAKING WHAT. Why should she be discriminated against. IF they got good info out of these murderous barbarians then i don't care if they humiliated the jackasses.
I hope she finds a good job and leaves the whiney crybaby going back to court thing alone.
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07-02-2009 01:56 PM #4
The thing is, I've seen much "worse" things while I was in. It was hazing incidents, but seriously, nobody got hurt, and nobody cried foul either.
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07-02-2009 02:25 PM #5
I don't see how this would fit the definition of discrimination.
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07-02-2009 06:53 PM #6
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She was screwed over. Plain and simple.
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07-03-2009 08:39 AM #7Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank! -- LCdr Montgomery Scott
You had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war. -- Winston Churchill (to Neville Chamberlain)
Liberalism is the defending of the indefensible, and the refusal to defend the indispensible. -- Me
I don't believe in treatin' girls equal. I believe in lookin' up to 'em. -- Moose Mason
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07-03-2009 08:49 AM #8
She could have refused "the order", let it be pushed to court martial and exposed the officers that "ordered" her to participate.
I once disobeyed a direct order from my company commander to put equipment on top of a mountain during a monsoon. Trails were too dangerous. He invoked UCMJ action, I appaealed to the division commander and he ruled in my favor. Captain was reassigned.
If you believe that something is wrong, you don't have to go along with it.
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07-03-2009 09:01 AM #9
Studies have shown, when you place a person in power over another person, as in a prison setting, the one in power will have the tendency to become overbearing and controlling.
This young lady was in a setting where she along with others had power over prisoners who had great disdain for Americans to begin with and they ALL reacted to their circumstances as the studies suggested. The guards became quite brutal and acted inhumanely because of these circumstances, and when caught the young lady got thrown to the wolves. Just think about it, can anybody even come up with a name of ANY of the co-conspirators? Nope, she became the poster child for Abu Ghraib, and she'll never be given a chance.
And all she did, was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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07-03-2009 09:12 AM #10
When I was stationed at NAS Barbers Pt., I worked in the com-nav shop of the avionics division of AIMD (Aircraft Intermediate Maintenance Department). We had changed buildings, and at our old location, we had rooftop antennas for some of the benches (workstations for specific items of equipment). They were nice-to-have items, but not necessary for full maintenance capability; I never missed having them on the HF radios that I worked on.
A few weeks before I was due to get out of the Navy, I was informed by my shop supervisor that I needed to file a report that showed degraded status on the benches in question to get priority on a parts order for rooftop antennae so that they would arrive in time for a final round of contract work to be done on the new building.
The benches were not ligitimately degraded, and I argued. He insisted, and I finally told him no. He got someone else to do it, and wrote a counseling sheet on me, on which I wrote that the order I had been given was an unlawful one.
If I had it to do over, I would have ordered the other guy to belay the order to file that report, and I would have refused to sign the counseling sheet. I should have told him that if he wanted to take action, he'd have to write up a report chit, at which point, I'd write one up on him for violating the UCMJ article pertaining to fraud, even though it wasn't for personal profit.Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank! -- LCdr Montgomery Scott
You had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war. -- Winston Churchill (to Neville Chamberlain)
Liberalism is the defending of the indefensible, and the refusal to defend the indispensible. -- Me
I don't believe in treatin' girls equal. I believe in lookin' up to 'em. -- Moose Mason



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