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#41

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That’s honest of you! But personally I have made an effort to understand because I think it would be irresponsible to not.
[/quote]I understand what you’re saying, but there are so many important-but-complex issues to keep track of.


#42

I believe in the Kyoto protocal. As a world view, we need to reduce the greenhouse emissions in the atmosphere. We have had an enormous increase in emissions since the later part of the 20th century.

The worldwide population growth and production growth has (in my opinion),contributed to the “Global Warming” issue.


#43

You remain undecided, and I’m not here to ‘decide’ you. That’s something everyone needs to do for themselves. But I wonder if you wonder if the mainstream scientists have a dishonest agenda. I know that many people think that science doesn’t like to be proven wrong or change their beliefs. I’ve always thought that was a disingenuous approach to the issue too.

In any case, there is no attempt being made by the con side to express a view on this thread and so I will assume that their will is not strong enough now to even bother.

Thanks for your ideas.


#44

It’s interesting to note that not only do you believe in AGW, you are willing to take the next step which I mentioned and do something about it. Are you a conservative? I would hope that all conservatives would take the first step at least and then the next step would come naturally as the repercussions of not doing enough begin to effect them personally.


#45

Most of us have no problem accepting the concept of global warming due to known natural cycles of climate change on Earth. What we object to is the selective junk-science that is used to claim that it is ALL man made. This claim of it being man-made is just and exceuse to inflict more socilism onto us via restrictions on our liberty or economical options.

When I was in high school, some of the same people that are now crying about global warming being man made were crying about the coming ice age. The common denominator in both schools of thought were to impose socialist style legislation on all of us. Therefore, it’s just an excuse to force socialism/communism on us all. They can’t do it politically via the ballot box so, they have to create a crisis to promote their poliltcal ideology.


#46

I also accept global warming or climate change due to non-anthropogenic causes. I would say we need to refer to it as climate change more appropriately because the change is not always in the direction of warming. I don’t believe that mainstream science is junk science, nor do I believe that it is selective. And I don’t believe that mainstream science is attempting to inflict more socialism on the people. I will also say that nobody is saying that climate change is all manmade. I am amenable to hearing reasoned arguments which attempt to prove that AGW is not a real threat.

When I was in high school, some of the same people that are now crying about global warming being man made were crying about the coming ice age. The common denominator in both schools of thought were to impose socialist style legislation on all of us. Therefore, it’s just an excuse to force socialism/communism on us all. They can’t do it politically via the ballot box so, they have to create a crisis to promote their poliltcal ideology.

Perhaps some of the people who cried global cooling and then turned around and cried global warming were indeed trying to turn you into a communist!

That’s an interesting view of society in general. I also find your Hitlery Klinton comment in your signature rather amusing. I apologize if it seems that I am being short with you but you have left me at a loss for words!

respectfully, CC.


#47

You can find plenty of discussion about it in the science forum. I need not waste bandwidth on what has been discussed before.

If you are at loss for words, then you know little about the ways that Child Protection Services operates. There is info and discussions about it in the Family Issues forum. It doesn’t operate in the best interests of the children as it claims.


#48

If you choose to not discuss the issue here then I’m fine with that.

If you are at loss for words, then you know little about the ways that Child Protection Services operates. There is info and discussions about it in the Family Issues forum. It doesn’t operate in the best interests of the children as it claims.

Your sudden switch to discussing child protection services has lost me completely. Thanks anyway. respectfully, CC.


#49

Sorry. Hitlery Klinton’s Village is enforced and implemented by that organization. Amongst many Conservatives, they are synonymous. I’m sorry for not making that association more clear.


#50

Scientists disagree on every subject you can think of.

That’s why this idea that there is a mass agreement on Al Gore’s side is inconsistent with how scientists act. You see, those who disagree are dissected and the fact that they disagree with each other is held against them.

Climate science is too new to be “settled”. That is an outrageous claim. Since when is science “settled” on anything? We do not even understand how the climate works yet…so how could it possibly be “settled”?

I think the fact that the IPCC was not interested in solar science when they first met in the early 90s tells you all about their agenda. They actually took a hostile attitude toward those scientists (the enemy). The reason being that you can’t blame us for what the sun does. They’ve been focused on CO2 only from the beginning…so of course you’ll find things when that’s all you want to find.


#51

The “huge majority of scientists” that agree on global warming are not even climatologists. You have one up there in Canada (and once again, I can’t remember his name) who is a geneticist. What does he know about climate?


#52

And no, I haven’t taken you off ignore; I just read your post as quoted by Harpo.


#53

That’s easy.

Our current warming began in the mid-1800s. (100 years before we began to pump out mass CO2…a big hole in the theory right there.)

During this time, we have experienced the greatest advancement in human living standards in history.

I don’t know what else you need to show it’s not a problem. :biggrin: This is not a model…this is real historical fact.


#54

Global warming is a scientific myth.

the Earth’s temperature varies in a cycling manner ( it is a solar driven thing).
even during this “warming event” we have experienced some record cold and the mean global temperature has in fact cooled over the last 500 years.

pack ice this year is at the same level as it was in 1979.
and the antarctic ice mass has grown during the whole "event "


#55

Harpo, speak to A.W. and see if you two can agree on whether the earth is warming or cooling. AGW deniers should at least agree with each other.

The only thing I will say at this point until you people can decide if this is going to be a discussion on global warming or global cooling is that if you turn the thermostat up in your room it’s not a good environment in which to argue global warming or global cooling. Nor is it a good idea to argue against global cooling on a record hot day in Phoeniz, Arizona. Or a record cold day in Florida.


#56

For one thing, placing ethanol in our gas reduces the gas mileage, therefore we pay more for well…more gas, because we have to fill up more frequently. It does hurt when gas mileage gets down to say…14-16 mpg and you have to fill up every other day.
One way they’re saying to deal with electricity is using the ‘energy efficient’ fluorescent bulbs. What happens if you accidentally break one of these crappy things? You basically have to call HAZMAT for clean up because of all the mercury in them. Secondly, I don’t want to feel like I’m in an office! I will keep the lights off all day until dusk to keep from having to install those awful things. They light they give off is depressing. Have you ever noticed that?

As far as global warming and global cooling? It’s all cyclical, baby. The ‘holes’ in the atmosphere are not Co2 emissions eating away at the ozone layer; they’re the Earth’s thermostats! The holes that appear over the Antarctic years ago are not there anymore. (Besides…why would carbon emission be eating away at the atmosphere down there?! Maybe it’s the wind…LoL) The atmosphere opens and closes as the Earth warms up and cools down. This makes more sense than we’re destroying our earth and atmosphere!
How does it make sense that in one region, you’re experiencing hotter-than-normal temps, and in another, colder-than-normal temps? It’s regional global warming! :rofl: Since when has any weatherman been able to accurately predict the weather? You can’t! Weather, in and of itself, is unpredictable; you can make educated guesses, but usually it doesn’t pan out the way the weatherman predicts. So isn’t is silly to surmise that you can say it’s global warming by the weekly forecast? Better to study temps of the Earth over a period of time. Some say we’re overdue for an Ice Age (Phil Valentine being one of them), some say we’re going towards a warming trend. It varies. It’s always going to vary.
I love global warming debates!


#57

cool


#58

One of the best arguments against “man-made global warming” is the fact that other planets in our solar system are experiencing increases in global temperature. Not just earth. Considering the fact that there is no one driving around in SUV’s or flying around in private jets on other planets, it makes a compelling argument. The sun is the common factor among any planets experiencing climate change.


#59

Humans are about as significant to the survival of the earth as bacteria are significant to the survival of a bowling ball.


#60

The normal temperature of outer space is −459.67°F…absolute zero. The temperature at our south pole, (Antarctica), varies around -60 to -120 degrees below zero during the “cold” season. Antarctica is a ‘hothouse’ compared to outer space. When you talk about global warming, you should thank God for each and every degree above zero degrees Fahrenheit that we are gifted because without it, we would all be frozen like ice cubes.