About our "tone"here.


#1

This goes out to the mods as well as everyone else at this forum. It is not a complaint.

Our discussions here have been vigorous and spirited. There has been some disagreement, for sure. It happens with conservatives. We aren’t Democrats. We don’t march in lockstep to a singular anti-American ideology.

Conservative discussions are messy. We are messy. We are inconvenient. We don’t always think about how politically correct our next words will be.

Having said that, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON POSTING HERE TODAY THAT I DON’T ADMIRE AND RESPECT. This is who we are. And I consider it an honor to be part of this. I believe this place has the best thinkers of any forum on the Internet today. I think the moderators have worked very hard to attract and keep the best.

Donald Trump has been criticized by very small men about his “tone.” And he told them where to shove it. And he is leading the polls. That’s an attitude today among our fellow conservatives that we are not going to take this any more. We may not be exactly on the same page about how to get there but we’re all in agreement about where “there” is.

If I have sounded a little harsh in my comments, I have to say sincerely and with a kind heart that I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ASS. And I don’t think anyone else here should either. I think we should flush political correctness down the toilet, along with other liberal notions.

Just sayin’.


#2

I think you should stop being a shill for Trump. You’ve said before that you admire Cruz, his backbone and willingness to fight, and his aversion to PC. Fine - then support him and urge the readers here to do so. There are other strong candidates in the race, who in one way or another advance the conservatice cause.

Trump is an embarrassment. And his supporters are weak-minded fools. I cannot respect any member of this board who rejects principled conservatism in favor of this demogogue and his cult of personality. You are better than that, reason10. Show some pride in yourself, and don’t be a good German. Fight for conservatism, not this dangerous media whore.


#3

reason10, There can be a point where someone’s devotion and adulation becomes a turnoff, in many different ways.

Just remember, Ron Paul is a perfect example. His own words lost him a great deal of support, and his team’s tactics. Even more, his supporter’s zealotry turned off a great deal of potential supporters.
Alienating people who aren’t his supporters (yet) won’t bring them into his camp.

As far as being harsh in comments, just keep in mind that this forum has rules. One primary rule is that insulting other posters is not tolerated. Criticize their comments, argue opinions, that’s fine. But insulting them personally is not.

(This is not meant as a formal warning, just a general tip to help keep things civil, and it applies to everyone.)


#4

Nope. YOU are the Good German. Someone comes along and thumbs your beloved RNC in the eye, and you immediately, in good liberal fashion, attack the man. Maybe he isn’t the most conservative candidate, but he IS more conservative than YOU. Yet, you continue to walk lockstep with the establishment like a good follower. Then, in classic liberal mode, you try to influence another to vote YOUR mind, not his own. Then, carrying on the liberal tradition, you call everyone who disagrees with you, stupid. Or Foolish. Or whatever helps you sell the RNC status quo.
We are sick of the corrupt RNC. Give up. An outsider is gonna be president, whether you think we’re stupid, or not. And your boys at the RNC better get the message, because Congress is next.


#5

“Beloved RNC”? What the heck are you talking about? Just as Dr. Mike says, I support candidates, not the RNC. And just who is the RNC supporting anyway, oh Enlightened One?

The backlash against the “RNC” and the “establishment” is a straw man. Who do you think mainstream conservatives are? Conservatives of all stripes can and will unite if we all start using our brains. I don’t mind an outsider being the nominee. Fiorina or Carson, for instance, I could support without reservation. They may be outsiders, but they’re conservatives, not demogogues.

My issue is solely with the awful Donald Trump and his good German supporters.


#6

You are always trying to get everyone to vote Republican’t each election, no matter who is there. Tou claim that a vote for anyone else, is a vote for Democrats. Everyone here knows that, so feigning ignorance isn’t really effective, here. You love the RNC RINOs.
The TRUTH is that the RNC is corrupt. They promise the world, and then give it away. They make awful deals with the Dems, and stupidly expect them to change to their way of thinking. They pander to other groups, while ignoring the will of those who put them in office. All in hopes of staying in office, to continue their unholy alliance with the other corrupt political group, because they all have a common interest, i.e. protecting their phoney baloney jobs. And, look what we have to show for it.
Yes, the RNC, and you, by extension, try to direct the primary process so that the emerging candidate will capitulate to their whims and agenda.
They have lied to us, and your charge of a straw man is ludicrous, since Trump has been leading throughout. That fact alone legitimizes the charge that the people want an outsider.
30-35% of the country says they are Democrat. About the same is Republican’t. The balance is independent, and they swing the election.


#7

[quote=“Tiny1, post:6, topic:47609”]
You love the RNC RINOs.

[/quote]Key point and reveals a need to push democrat ideals


#8

I think you should stop being a shill for Trump. You’ve said before that you admire Cruz, his backbone and willingness to fight, and his aversion to PC. Fine - then support him and urge the readers here to do so. There are other strong candidates in the race, who in one way or another advance the conservatice cause.

Forgive me, but the conservative cause is DEAD. Just like the American dream is DEAD. And CONSERVATIVES killed it. CONSERVATIVES sat on their fat asses in 2000 and 2012 and allowed a skinny illegal alien community organizer to attain an office he NEVER could have done on his own. I’m not trying to advance any conservative cause whatsoever. Frankly, all the wonderful conservative media can piss up a rope as far as I’m concerned. They were no effing help in the past eight years and all they’re doing now is whining about how THE DONALD is making them more and more irrelevant.

I’m with the majority of America. Trump is the most qualified candidate running today. That doesn’t make me a shill. It makes me smarter that others.

Trump is an embarrassment. And his supporters are weak-minded fools. I cannot respect any member of this board who rejects principled conservatism in favor of this demogogue and his cult of personality. You are better than that, reason10. Show some pride in yourself, and don’t be a good German. Fight for conservatism, not this dangerous media whore.

Conservatism is an embarrassment, at least Establishment conservatism. And Establishment conservatism gave us eight years of Obama. Trump is the only one with the leadership qualifications in this race for the job. The rest of them are egotistical wannabes.

Embarrassment? How about JEB! who is burning through MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of superPAC money staying in single digits even with the party telling him it’s time to step down? How about Carson, whose weak speaking style has just handed the left the greatest sound bite of all time: Carson wants to get rid of Medicare. What’s even worse, CARSON NEVER SAID THAT. And you’re going to support someone who can’t control his message any better than that? Give me a break.

Trump’s message is loud and clear. If a media type or another candidate tries to lie about that message, Trump becomes ROCKY BALBOA and counterpunches. Do you REALLY want a cream puff in the Oval Office, having to deal with Vladimir Putin?

Weak minded fools are those who can’t jump off the RINO train before it goes off the cliff.


#9

Just remember, Ron Paul is a perfect example. His own words lost him a great deal of support, and his team’s tactics. Even more, his supporter’s zealotry turned off a great deal of potential supporters.
Alienating people who aren’t his supporters (yet) won’t bring them into his camp.

You’re comparing Trump to Ron Paul? Seriously.

As far as being harsh in comments, just keep in mind that this forum has rules. One primary rule is that insulting other posters is not tolerated. Criticize their comments, argue opinions, that’s fine. But insulting them personally is not
.

In another thread, a moderator issued a warning to all about a “tone.” And it got me to thinking that perhaps people were getting the wrong idea about me. I’ve been called a Shill and a Good German. (Always been a fan of John Sgt Shultz Banner, but that’s beside the point.) I’m not going to call ANY poster here any names whatsoever. And it’s not because of any damned rules. The fact of the matter is that anyone who is a total asshole and ignoramus CAN’T GET INTO HERE, or wouldn’t like it here. I remember how long I had to wait. So the last thing I’m going to do is insult anyone. It’s not because I fear any rules. It’s because I have honest respect for everyone here, (as annoying as some of them can get.)

(This is not meant as a formal warning, just a general tip to help keep things civil, and it applies to everyone.)

You have the most civil and knowledgeable posters on the Web.


#10

Do you REALLY want a cream puff in the Oval Office, having to deal with Vladimir Putin?

Of course not, but you want us to elect our own version of Vladimir Putin. Stand up for CONSERVATISM, stand up for AMERICA, but don’t be a weak-minded cultist suckered by Trump’s siren song.


#11

Actually, I believe he was comparing your aggressive support for Trump with the manner of Ron Paul supporters.


#12

I think you’re whistling through the graveyard to think “the majority of Americans” are Trump fans. “Polls” at this juncture are meaningless…just as they were this time in 2011. Polling companies “poll” selectively. For example, we know that Gallup “pads” their polling routinely by asking 10% to 15% more Democrats for THEIR opinions than registered Republicans. We know that polls of “registered Republicans” are conducted primarily in the NE U.S. where most “Republicans” are already left-of-center to begin with…like Scott was in Massachusetts, both Chaffees were in Rhode Island, Christie is in New Jersey, and Olympia Snow and Susan Collins BOTH were in Maine. For goodness’ sake, Bernie SANDERS got a bare majority of the GOP vote in New Hampshire the last time he ran and he’s an admitted SOCIALIST!

EDIT: I think I told this story before but it bears repeating because it illustrates what I’m talking about. I have an old HS classmate who said she WORKS for Gallup as a “surveyor.” I once asked her at a class reunion why I didn’t know of ANYONE who’d ever been polled by them and I used to speak to literally thousands of Oklahomans every quarter. Her reply was that they didn’t poll in Oklahoma, under “corporate instructions” because Oklahoma is KNOWN to be a conservative state.


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I have never seen that show but I think I would like it!


#15

Putin was a KGB hack who is lucky to have the job he has now. Not very logical to compare that Bolshevik lightweight to THE DONALD. When Putin is renting a building to the largest bank in the world, then I’ll be impressed.

Trump is going to get the nomination, for the very simple reason that no one who is better is going to come along at this time. That’s just the reality of the situation. Not one single vote has been cast in the primaries, and hell Trump might have a heart attack between now and then (considering he only sleeps four hours a night). But this is not politics as usual. This is politics at light speed. The primary is already decided.

Will Trump be better than Hillary? It is my belief that he is better and more qualified than any of the Republicans and a rabid dog would be better than Hillary. So for once this might just work out.

If you’re looking for the perfect Ronald Reagan/Rush Limbaugh conservative to be president, get used to having Democrats in the White House for the rest of your life.

I’ll take someone who has the same views I have about the economy, illegal immigration, health care and other items. That guy is Trump. He is electable and he is powerful enough to enact his entire agenda. And it will be good for America.

I started to say that’s just me. But it’s also most of America.


#16

I think you’re whistling through the graveyard to think “the majority of Americans” are Trump fans. “Polls” at this juncture are meaningless…just as they were this time in 2011.

Any other time you’d be correct. But politics today is moving at light speed. And there has NEVER been a single candidate of ANY party to keep the lead for so long, not even Ronald Reagan.

Polling companies “poll” selectively. For example, we know that Gallup “pads” their polling routinely by asking 10% to 15% more Democrats for THEIR opinions than registered Republicans.

If that were the case, then Jeb Bush would be leading the pack. Or Lindsay Graham.

We know that polls of “registered Republicans” are conducted primarily in the NE U.S. where most “Republicans” are already left-of-center to begin with…like Scott was in Massachusetts, both Chaffees were in Rhode Island, Christie is in New Jersey, and Olympia Snow and Susan Collins BOTH were in Maine. For goodness’ sake, Bernie SANDERS got a bare majority of the GOP vote in New Hampshire the last time he ran and he’s an admitted SOCIALIST!

Like I said, that would mean Christie or Pataki, or Graham. Or Kasich, for that matter. All liberals.

EDIT: I think I told this story before but it bears repeating because it illustrates what I’m talking about. I have an old HS classmate who said she WORKS for Gallup as a “surveyor.” I once asked her at a class reunion why I didn’t know of ANYONE who’d ever been polled by them and I used to speak to literally thousands of Oklahomans every quarter. Her reply was that they didn’t poll in Oklahoma, under “corporate instructions” because Oklahoma is KNOWN to be a conservative state.

I wouldn’t doubt it. So NONE of this explains Trump’s rise, because he has the most conservative agenda of all the candidates. And he is the one most likely to beat Hillary. Kinda hard to imagine a left wing poll deliberately wanting to skew polls toward the number one conservative.


#17

Then he is mistaken. I’m not any different than the rest of the Silent Majority who support Trump. And they certainly aren’t a bunch of crazed anarchist libertarians.


#18

You mean the sort of “crazed anarchist libertarians” who actually oppose eminent domain in the name of Donald Trump’s bottom line or who oppose Trump’s tariffs in favor of actual free markets and actual capitalism based on a sound understanding of economics? No worries though. There’s only 100 of them.

Anyway, I should hope that the sentiments in your OP is shared by all of our other members.


#19

Nonsense. Hillary has been the Democrats’ leader in ALL the polls since before the 2012 elections…before the 2016 Presidency was even a gleam in Donald Trumps eye. I realize much of what you post here is hyperbole, but PLEASE!


#20

If you read about every great American in history long past; especially those who worked to formulate the Constitution, you will find a bunch of Libertarians who had a vision for a great nation, and this vision has been realized for almost as long as they enacted their reach. What I am seeing, with a bit of concern I might add, both in America and Canada is the misrepresentation of Libertarians as “Anarchists” and “Anti-government crazies”. Quite a convenient description for those who want to maintain excessive intervention in the lives of citizens, not very conducive to the creativity of expression and what it means to be a free human being with inalienable rights granted by God.

If you look at all the great inventors in American history. All of the great businesses in American history. The vast majority succeeded by the basic premise of freedom and expression. They were allowed to operate freely and with self sufficiency and succeeded because of it, not because of hand outs and government support (as SOME so-called great businessman have relied on…).

You can bark all you want about Trump, he is not a Conservative and dare I say an enemy to many Conservative values, possibly the worst candidate to ever run for presidency, at the worst time. Thankfully in my estimation, he will not be the next president of the United States.