Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement


#1

Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement
Jim Hoffer
1/17/13

NEW YORK (WABC) – A troubling oversight has been found within New York State’s sweeping new gun laws.

The ban on having high-capacity magazines, as it’s written, would also include law enforcement officers.

Magazines with more than seven rounds will be illegal under the new law when that part takes effect in March.

As the statute is currently written, it does not exempt law enforcement officers.

Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries hand guns that have a 15 round capacity.

Anyone surprised? And why, if a police officer defending himself/herself from assailants needs a clip larger than 7 rounds, does a civilian similarly defending himself or herself not need a large clip? Do the police magically appear when the seventh round is fired? Will the assailants pause for their intended victim to reload? Why do I suspect at least one legislator who opposed this travesty noticed, but didn’t point out, this stupid omission?


#2

NY already had a 10 round magazine limit, did that one not include police officers?


#3

15? Is that all?

And now I hear it’s just 10?


#4

Isn’t the statistics that a single officer fires on average three shots during a gun fight?


#5

You do know what average means?


#6

Yeah. They average the shots fired for every officer ever in a gunfight. Not every officer ever.


#7

Yeah, well, it’s an average. That’s the operative word. Some may require only one shot to end the fight; some may require 20. “Average” doesn’t determine need. I would look at the maximum, and add several to it to determine need.


#8

Yeah. They average the shots fired for every officer ever in a gunfight.

An honestly calculated average would be based on the number of shots fired by every officer in a gunfight who shot their gun; a disingenuous manipulated “average” would included officers present who did not fire their gun (which has the effect of lowering the resulting average number of shots an officer fires in a gunfight). Either way - I was just pointing out how this statistic could be manipulated - obviously approximately half of officers at a gunfight fire their gun more than the average of 3 shots, and some likely more than NY’s legal limit of a 7-shot magazine. And so my logic stands: if a police officer needs more than a seven-shot magazine, why not a civilian similarly defending himself/herself (e.g. the woman in, IIRC, OK who hit her would-be assailant 5 times yet the guy still was able to leave the scene - thankfully, he left rather than continuing his attempted assault)?


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[quote=“PeteS_in_CA, post:8, topic:37861”]
An honestly calculated average would be based on the number of shots fired by every officer in a gunfight who shot their gun; a disingenuous manipulated “average” would included officers present who did not fire their gun (which has the effect of lowering the resulting average number of shots an officer fires in a gunfight). Either way - I was just pointing out how this statistic could be manipulated - obviously approximately half of officers at a gunfight fire their gun more than the average of 3 shots, and some likely more than NY’s legal limit of a 7-shot magazine. And so my logic stands: if a police officer needs more than a seven-shot magazine, why not a civilian similarly defending himself/herself (e.g. the woman in, IIRC, OK who hit her would-be assailant 5 times yet the guy still was able to leave the scene - thankfully, he left rather than continuing his attempted assault)?
[/quote]Takes me about 3 seconds to change clips in my S&W .40. I have several small capacity clips, and a few large ones. While I do not support limiting magazines, I will have no trouble since my 12 gauge is my first choice, in home protection, and I have enough pistols to fire dozens of rounds, before needing to reload.


#10

You* bitter clinger*, you!


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[quote=“PeteS_in_CA, post:10, topic:37861”]
You* bitter clinger*, you!
[/quote]Guilty as charged. A Badge of Honor. Thanx.