Andrew Yang is the Ron Paul of 2020

I never said that, I said because illegals who get welfare then go ahead and start businesses and get jobs under the table without having to charge a rate that reflects the cost of living and because they are allowed to ignore all of the draconian regulations that citizens who are legitimate must follow; they force the citizens to either flee for a place with a smaller illegal immigrant population or go on the dole and try to get away with breaking the same laws that the illegals break.

You consistently try to claim I am arguing the pop tart analysis that your cut and paste philosophy is designed to refute; that will never change the fact that you have no response for my actual argument.

This is the solution to both overspending on the military and medicare. The thing is, we can do literally everything we do right now in both fields for a LOT less money because there is so much waste in those areas. There are so many inefficiencies it’s unreal.

You can cut about 1/2 of healthcare spending without changing quality at all - though this has to be forced onto the entire system not simply handled by government spending. Medicare already only compensates at 60% rates and can’t really further cut direct spending. But it can alter end of life care, eliminate the insurance waste layer, and eliminate medical caregiver gate keeping/bottlenecking as well as changing extended hospice/nursing home care.

The military is even worse. The R&D side is third world banana republic levels of corrupt. To say nothing of the insane bureaucracy that governs it.

Yet Americans do this too; Detroit is rife with it.

You’re trying to make this seem like immigrant behavior, but I’m not seeing the evidence for that.

This is charlatan behavior, which happens when regulations are too strict.

Thus, the solution is to deregulate.

Right back at you; your position is to strengthen the Gov’t’s position in this, when they’re the ones causing the problem in the first place.

If you instead chew out more of the administrative state, this goes to the margins.

“He did it too …” hasn’t worked for me since the second grade.


You didn’t follow. RET’s trying to say illegals are getting some sort of special treatment.

But If Americans running under-the-table are getting the same or better treatment, he’s wrong.

There’s no denying that.

Rampant Charlatanism is caused by overwrought regulatory environments. That’s the point.
If you want less of it, you deregulate. That’s the solution.

No, that isn’t what he was saying. Read it again:

Yes it is:

He’s said multiple things, just like this. Reinventing the argument now won’t hide what he said here.

My argument stays where it is; this happens because the market is overregulated.

Charlatanism becomes widespread, because regulations created a gap in the market that charlatans fill.
Regulations don’t make demand go away. Only the legality of the business/person who fills it.

Detroit does not subsidize ONE segment of the work force and tell the rest of the work force who is competing for THE SAME JOBS that they must pay their competitions subsidy AND find a way to work for the same rate as their subsidized competion.

And thank you for proving that you have no argument that is even remotely coherent to my position, now you can return to all of the turn of the century non comparable comparisons and the pre welfare “Brasero” BS with a touch of argument quotations from dead economists who never addressed or even considered the circumstances that your Party has manufactured in our time.

And see you claim that’s “just” illegals; I don’t buy that.

What is happening in Detroit is happening in California.

You created a niche for the black market to fill by overregulating yourselves.

You’re telling this to someone with illegals coworkers. Who has in fact competed with them for jobs.

If you’re telling me to be envious of them, I’m going to kindly tune you out RET.

Envy narratives are obnoxious, and can go hang.

Yet you repeated it.

Once again, you make the claim about “something” holding illegals above the rest, when nothing points to that happening. Americans & legals who work under the table get the same or better treatment.

The Pentagon just failed their first ever audit. 21 trillion dollars of unaccounted adjustments since 98.
To put that in perspective - the entire US national debt is equal to the number of unexplained accounting shenanigans the DOD has been up to over the past 20 years.

If the DoD was a corporation, it would make Enron look like straight shooters

So imagine how other government spending is doing.

Probably not as bad as the DoD, to be fair. “National Security” covers a multitude of sins, even more than “think of the children!”

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I don’t know; those socialist programs I believe involve a lot more money, and like the DoD, the fraud is within and without the government.

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It’s not like there will ever be an open and honest audit: nobody in the government gas any interest in that happening, and LARGE numbers of people in the government have every reason to resist it.


Failing an audit means poor bookkeeping, it is not indicative of fraud, and “National Security” spending is not all run through the DOD.

I am not saying there is no fraud and I am not saying that the DOD does not suffer from the same lack of competence in management as every other government entity, they all lack accountability so all are managed poorly.

But the DOD is a necessary evil and they ultimately have achieved their objective; we are still a sovereign nation ruled by the people.

No other government entity with the possible exception of the Post Office can make that claim; all the others fail to achieve their objective and are every bit as poor at accounting for their budgets.

We are still sovereign and our mail gets delivered, those are the 2 things our Founders tasked the Federal Government to do that are being accomplished; our Judicial system is wholly corrupt and most of our our Rights have become disposable.

If we are going to “fix” things the last on the list should be the only 2 entities that are at least achieving their objectives.

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Many people who criticize DOD budgets do not realize all of the bad things that would happen if we were not the sole military superpower in the world. Those who are also free trade (such as it is) advocates should be aware that the United States Navy is the linchpin that keeps the system afloat (in more ways than one). I forget who said it but, in the old days, before U.S. naval dominance, powerful nations didn’t trade so much in goods, they traded ammunition.

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Response to Andrew Yang at 30 minutes in.

He’s right that the UBI isn’t the right way to handle it. His suggestion for low cost large scale universal free housing, with solar power serviced by automated public transit is the way to go. We’re going to have at least 1/3 if not closer to 1/2 of the population unemployable within 30 years. And we’re either going to have to come up with a cheap way to house them and keep them fed and entertained(or possibly sedated), or we’re going to have a lot of crime.

I have to disagree; and it’s because, as he points out, generalized AI isn’t a feasible goal, and we don’t have a line on making it one.

If we have to individually create AI for every use case as we do now, human needs will outpace it, creating jobs in areas that are hard to automate, and no off-the-shelf option is available.