At the end of the rope.


#1

All right, I am a Social Conservative. I may well be the only one, but I simply am not getting onboard the Trump Train right now. I don’t understand how people at Church can support such a crass and vulgar man when (until earlier today) there was at least one choice left.

Trump: Already covered.
Cruz: Lied about the Carson campaign
Rubio: Amnesty.

Until earlier today, I would have supported Carson, as he is a fundamentally decent man. People say character doesn’t count, but as goes leadership so goes the Country. Hookups and FWBs trace to the 1990s and the Philanderer In Chief. If you want a nation that has no respect for the rest of the world, a leader with (from what can be told) no core principles other than “making the deal”, Trump is your guy.

If you’re a gun owner, it bears mentioning that it’s not been that many years since Trump thought an assault weapons ban was a good idea. So much for the Second Amendment being (sic) “absolutely protected.”

If you’re a Christian, consider the following, Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV):

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

And bear these works of the flesh in mind the next time Trump calls Rubio a lightweight, or Romney a loser. Speaking of which, I don’t think I’ll take job seeking advice from a gent that didn’t get picked up for the job but that’s beside the point.

If not Trump, Cruz, or Rubio, who? You’re probably thinking ‘Dave, you should vote for the lesser of two evils.’ I have spent most of my adult life doing that and the issues I care about get NOWHERE.

I vote Republican, and we still have more gun laws.
I vote Republican and the Holocaust of abortion continues.

I regret not voting for Chuck Baldwin in 2008, and don’t see an honorable way forward except for the Constitution Party. We must have decent men in office and if the GOP will keep on refusing to support decent men like Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum or Ben Carson, we must pack up and go elsewhere. The lesser of two evils, after all, is still evil.

I consider myself reasonable, though, and am willing to listen. Why should I vote Republican one more time?


#2

(Deleted by RWNJ) Cruz did NOT “Lie” about the Carson campaign; you have falsely accused a Christian of an offense with no evidence and nothing but malice as your apparent motive.

Which makes you a Trump supporter so you might as well climb on his bandwagon.


#3

The insinuation that Carson had suspended his campaign was only part of the sleazy Cruz machine in Iowa. John Kasich might bear listening to, though I resent his making Ohio civil servants apply for the jobs they already held when he became Governor.


#4

That’s actually a point in his favor. Ohio government needed the adversity quite frankly.


#5

What other “sleaze” can you come up with. Cruz didn’t “lie” about ANYTHING. His only mistake was to take the media’s word that what happened WAS a lie and apologize for it. Once again, CNN reported that Carson’s campaign had told them that Carson was NOT going to New Hampshire, but was going home to Texas after the Iowa caucuses. ANY reasonable person would interpret that to mean that he was at least CONSIDERING dropping out altogether. (I believe he WANTED to.) All the Cruz campaign did was interpret the story as any reasonable person would and told their workers to encourage Carson’s supporters to switch their votes to Cruz…a perfectly reasonable thing to do. There wasn’t any “lie” involved at all.

I’m no Kasich fan but since when is a government job a “GUARANTEE” for life?


#6

You claim to be a Christian.
You declare that a fellow Christian is a “Liar”.
You offer no evidence for this slanderous accusation and no repentance for this slander, which means your intent was malice.
You then introduce another accusation of “sleaziness” against the same Christian.

You are firstly a Socialist who believes the ends justify the means and you see Cruz as a threat to your ideology, any religious affiliation you claim is clearly not the force that drives your thinking and actions.


#7

Let’s look at some of Cruz’s claims.

  1. He claims that Trump gave to Clinton’s campaign 10 times, and 4 times were donations to her Presidential Campaign
    Well, he donated to her campaign 7 times, of which only two were to her Presidential Campaign, but they were refunded. 2300 bucks. And the five Senate donations totaled 4100 dollars. Liar.

  2. Cruz said that "in a recent debate, Trump said if you don’t support socialized healthcare, you are heartless."Trump never spoke those words in a debate, nor anything like that. Liar

  3. Cruz said the only Supreme pick Trump has suggested, is his sister, who was appointed to an appeals court, by Clinton, and she is a hard line pro-abortion liberal judge.
    He did say she would make a good judge, but he said he would not appoint her. He has named two other potential nominees. And in addition to that false accusation, he leaves out that Reagan appointed her, in the first place. Liar.

  4. Cruz said he was uninsured because Blue Cross cancelled all individual policies in Texas.
    Blue Cross said they still sell individual policies all over Texas, and that his family was notified of their being moved from a PPO to an HMO. Liar.

  5. He said that a “strong bipartisan majority” voted in the House to repeal Obozocare.
    Actually, only 2 Dems out of 190. Not exactly a bipartisan majority.

All politicians lie. Trump, Cruz, etc. So, attacks on them is understandable. Attacks on others just because they support someone you dislike, is, IMO unAmerican and not exactly Christian-like behavior. Vote for your candidate, but trashing people who have supported your positions and posts in the past, is Romney-like.


#8
  1. You are ignoring donations to Bill Clinton’s campaign and several Clinton Super Pacs, Cruz is NOT lying.
  2. Trump said that those like Cruz who oppose Socialized medicine want “people to die in the streets”, Cruz did not lie.
  3. Bill Clinton appointed Trumps sister to the Appeals Court, Reagan appointed her as a Federal district judge; Cruz is not lying.
  4. Blue Cross did cancel their Individual plans in Texas and many States, the option was given to move to an HMO if you were an Individual policy holder but that does NOT mean Cruz is a liar; his plan was cancelled and no longer is offered in Texas.
  5. 2 votes is “bipartisan” by definition, hyperbole is not “lying”.

You support a serial liar and call a man who tells the truth a liar in order to justify doing so, if I had to perpetuate lies about one candidate in order to make my chosen candidate seem plausible I would just choose another candidate.


#9

[quote=“RET423, post:8, topic:48389”]

  1. You are ignoring donations to Bill Clinton’s campaign and several Clinton Super Pacs, Cruz is NOT lying.
  2. Trump said that those like Cruz who oppose Socialized medicine want “people to die in the streets”, Cruz did not lie.
  3. Bill Clinton appointed Trumps sister to the Appeals Court, Reagan appointed her as a Federal district judge; Cruz is not lying.
  4. Blue Cross did cancel their Individual plans in Texas and many States, the option was given to move to an HMO if you were an Individual policy holder but that does NOT mean Cruz is a liar; his plan was cancelled and no longer is offered in Texas.
  5. 2 votes is “bipartisan” by definition, hyperbole is not “lying”.

You support a serial liar and call a man who tells the truth a liar in order to justify doing so, if I had to perpetuate lies about one candidate in order to make my chosen candidate seem plausible I would just choose another candidate.
[/quote]They ALL lie, RET, don’t be naive. He misrepresented, which IS lying. He has lied, or misrepresented, a lot of things. So has Trump. So has Rubio. So has Kasich. Look, if you want to disparage me for supporting Trump, fine, I really couldn’t care any less. Won’t change my mind, one bit. I’ll still vote for Trump.
But, it reflects on your Christianity, as much as what you castigated another Christian poster for doing. I am a devout Christian, but that does not obligate me to vote for a Christian, nor to overlook other candidates’ shortcomings.
You Cruz supporters seem to have adopted the RNC way of choosing a candidate.
Claim he is the only one who can beat Hillary.
Claim your guy’s virtues and our guy’s positions are lies.
Disparage the other guy’s supporters as stupid and uneducated lemmings.
You sound more like MDMike and Jazzhead, than RET.


#10

Then where is the list?


#11

(1)He claimed that Trump had donated to CLINTON 10 times–including to the “Clinton (read “slush-fund”) Foundation”–to which he donated over $100K. No lie here.

(2)Trump never said those EXACT words, but he has indicated that anyone who opposes providing EVERYONE with good health care is heartless…which is much the same thing since Trump has indicated that “the government” should provide “free” health-care for those who cannot afford it. Again, no real lie here.

(3)Trump suggested that his sister would be a good candidate for SCOTUS. I haven’t heard him mention ANYONE else to fill Scalia’s seat. Not one. Again, no lie here.

(4)Cruz didn’t say he was ‘uninsured.’ He said he no longer has an individual policy because Blue Cross did away with it in Texas. True. Moving one involuntarily from a PPO to an HMO is the same thing as removing their individual policy and putting them into a “group” plan. Again, no “lie.”

(5)Yet it WAS a “bipartisan” effort to repeal Obozocare. I’d say that 100% of the GOP House and a few Democrats IS a “strong” effort to repeal. No “lie” involved.

Accusing someone of lying just because you disagree with them is very “Trump-like” and not worthy of you. Trump is a charlatan and the worst liar on any given podium. His focus is getting Hillary elected. Anyone who was a life-long liberal who suddenly decides to run as a “conservative” is pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes…just as many of the RINOs in Congress have been doing.


#12

(1)He claimed that Trump had donated to CLINTON 10 times–including to the “Clinton (read “slush-fund”) Foundation”–to which he donated over $100K. No lie here.

Nope.
Cruz said, “**Donald Trump has written checks to Hillary Clinton not once, not twice, not three times. Ten times. And four of those checks were not to her Senate campaign. It wasn’t that she was the New York senator and it was a cost of doing business. It was to her presidential campaign.”
**
Trump wrote seven checks to Hillary. 5 for her Senate run, and two to her Presidential campaign, which were REFUNDED. Nothing said about Bill, or the Foundation. It is a misrepresentation, IOW a lie.

(2)Trump never said those EXACT words, but he has indicated that anyone who opposes providing EVERYONE with good health care is heartless…which is much the same thing since Trump has indicated that “the government” should provide “free” health-care for those who cannot afford it. Again, no real lie here.
Nope.

“For decades, Donald has been advocating socialized medicine,” Cruz said. “What he said is the government should pay for everyone’s health care.** And in fact, a couple of debates ago, he said if you don’t support socialized health care, you’re heartless.”**

The transcripts of the debates hold no evidence that he said anything close. He says he will work to repeal Obozocare, and replace it with something better. He said the government needs to pay for people’s healthcare that cannot afford it. For the record, in the Dec. 15, 2015, debate, Trump called the country’s health care a "disaster. In the Jan. 14, 2016, debate, Trump said, “Our health care is a horror show. Obamacare, we’re going to repeal it and replace it.”

(3)Trump suggested that his sister would be a good candidate for SCOTUS. I haven’t heard him mention ANYONE else to fill Scalia’s seat. Not one. Again, no lie here.

Nope.
Trump has not only named two potential Supreme Court replacements, he has handpicked nominees similar in many ways, to Justice Scalia.

In fact, Trump was the first candidate to name potential Supreme Court nominees in the February 13, 2016 debate that took place on the night of Justice Antonin Scalia’s passing. On that day, Donald Trump said: “We could have a Diane Sykes or a Bill Pryor.” A perusal of these two potential nominees’ records reveals two conservative textualists who would make for excellent Scalia replacements.

Nevertheless, both Cruz and Rubio – continue to bash Trump at every turn. Cruz has continually repeated the false accusation that Donald Trump, if elected President, would appoint his sister, Judge Maryanne Trump Barry of the Third Circuit, to replace Scalia.
Though Trump casually said last year that his sister would make a good Supreme Court Justice, Trump said plainly following the death of Scalia, “I would say total conflict of interest as far as my sister.” Moreover, Cruz completely ignores the fact that Trump has specifically named two Justices he would appoint if the opportunity arose.

(4)Cruz didn’t say he was ‘uninsured.’ He said he no longer has an individual policy because Blue Cross did away with it in Texas. True. Moving one involuntarily from a PPO to an HMO is the same thing as removing their individual policy and putting them into a “group” plan. Again, no “lie.”

Nope.

“You know who one of those millions of Americans who’s lost their health care because of Obamacare? That would be me. I don’t have health care right now,” he told an audience in Manchester, New Hampshire.
“I had purchased an individual policy and Blue Cross Blue Shield canceled all their individual policies in the state of Texas effective December 31st,” Cruz explained. “So our health care got canceled. We got a notice in the mail. Blue Cross Blue Shield was leaving the market.”

He was not without healthcare. Blue Cross did not leave the market, they simply quit PPOs and switched everyone to HMOs. A lie.

(5)Yet it WAS a “bipartisan” effort to repeal Obozocare. I’d say that 100% of the GOP House and a few Democrats IS a “strong” effort to repeal. No “lie” involved.

Nope.
C’mon man. 2 out of 190 Dems voted with 100% of the Republican. That is a partisan voting along party lines.

Accusing someone of lying just because you disagree with them is very “Trump-like” and not worthy of you. Trump is a charlatan and the worst liar on any given podium. His focus is getting Hillary elected. Anyone who was a life-long liberal who suddenly decides to run as a “conservative” is pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes…just as many of the RINOs in Congress have been doing.

You continue to say Trump is working for Hillary. You refuse to show proof. That is very Rubio like and not worthy of you.
He lies. They all lie. Even Trump. Quit trying to act like your boy is an angel and Trump is the devil.


#13

I don’t have time to refute your nonsense here, Tiny 1. It’s enough to say that you’re backing a charlatan and a fraud and I’m backing a slightly flawed, but HONEST constitutionalist conservative. You cannot base your opinion of Trump’s positions on what he says in the DEBATES! Those opinions of his change from one debate to another. You have to listen to what he says in his SPEECHES and read what he posts on his Twitter account for the truth. You forget that Trump donated to Hillary’s campaign in 2000, 2006 AND 2008 and has donated OVER $100K to the Clinton slush fund within the past 5 YEARS!


#14

[quote=“Pappadave, post:13, topic:48389”]
I don’t have time to refute your nonsense here, Tiny 1. It’s enough to say that you’re backing a charlatan and a fraud and I’m backing a slightly flawed, but HONEST constitutionalist conservative. You cannot base your opinion of Trump’s positions on what he says in the DEBATES! Those opinions of his change from one debate to another. You have to listen to what he says in his SPEECHES and read what he posts on his Twitter account for the truth. You forget that Trump donated to Hillary’s campaign in 2000, 2006 AND 2008 and has donated OVER $100K to the Clinton slush fund within the past 5 YEARS!
[/quote]My nonsense? I say he lied. I show he lied, and you call my response nonsensical? Amazing. Oh yeah, you are a good egg, with inpeccable character, backing the Messiah, and I am an unprincipled idiot who is backing a fraud and a charlatan. Got it.
You apparently don’t listen to much. I showed where Cruz lied. I posted his words. I showed the misrepresentations. What more do you want?

He donates to a great many people. In fact, $746,000 he’s donated since 2005 to federal candidates and political committees, 80 percent has gone to Republicans. That is a fact.

Look, you and RET can vote for your candidate and I’ll vote for mine. What you two advocate, is gonna backfire in your face. When Trump and Cruz both fail to reach 1237 delegates, the RNC is gonna have a brokered convention, nominate their choice, and we’ll watch Hillary beat Rubio or Mittens, and waltz into the White House.


#15

Tiny, nothing would do my heart better than to see people appreciate what they’re doing to their very own country by refusing to admit fault in their favored candidate. But, instead of doing that so we can have an honest discussion of the pro’s and con’s, along w/how, perhaps, each candidate might overcome those odds against him, all that’s offered is vitriol, and right up close to downright hatred.
(FWIW, I see you posting facts; not anger. Just simple facts. Thank you.)

Neither Trump nor Cruz is perfect. If we don’t start putting our differences aside, it’s going to end up just like you say.
Rubio waltzing right into the White House.

And won’t that be just grand?


#16

…which is WHY Trump’s in this race in the first place, 2cent. A Trump-Hillary race? Hillary wins. A Rubio-Hillary race? Close, but Hillary wins. A Romney-Hillary race? Hillary wins. Rubio has won Minnesota and Puerto Rico and PR voters CANNOT vote for the President in the general election. Big deal! Kasich is another big-government, scramble-and-feed-at-the-trough RINO.


#17

Messiah…Okay

Nobody has called you an “idiot” or in any way challenged your intelligence, I have lambasted your chosen candidate who you have offered no defense for while attempting to condemn the character of the guy I am supporting; I can only assume this tactic is designed to try and lump every candidate into the cesspool that your guy lives in to make him seem on par with the rest. Now apparently Cruz supporters must be pushed into the same cesspool as evidenced by this childish crack about Cruz supporters thinking he is the “messiah”.

Okay, I will give your “list” the respect you refuse to show to anyone who supports Cruz; we will see if your accusation that Cruz is a “Liar” is rooted in objective research or just the rantings of Trump apologists as they try to deflect the truth away from their own candidate.

Cruz “Lie” number 1

He claims that Trump gave to Clinton’s campaign 10 times, and 4 times were donations to her Presidential Campaign. Well, he donated to her campaign 7 times, of which only two were to her Presidential Campaign, but they were refunded. 2300 bucks. And the five Senate donations totaled 4100 dollars. Liar.

Trump donated twice directly to Clinton’s 2008 Presidential Campaign, $1700.00 and $600.00, these were refunded later which is irrelevant; Cruz’s point was to shown where Trump’s loyalty was and Trump did write these checks.

For those who think this is pretty small it should be noted that in 2008 the maximum an individual could donate to a Presidential Campaign was $2300.00, to give more it had to go to organizations that support the candidate but have no direct coordination with the candidates. This can be skirted a little, for instance I could donate $2300.00 for myself and my wife could donate the same without violating the limit, I could also launder $2300.00 through my children that are over 18 years of age as well. Trump did this but these other donations are not needed to prove Cruz was telling the truth.

The other donations were through the Clinton Foundation, Trump would now have us believe that he is the only person in America who did not know that this foundation was used to pick up the tab for Clinton’s expenses during her Presidential campaign. Trump has dumped $250,000 into this foundation and $100,000 of it was during Clinton’s 2008 Presidential run.

Super PAC donations can be anonymous so we have no idea how much Trump donated there but he has openly “written checks” at least 4 times to fund Hillary Clinton’s Presidential aspirations.

Quick note; Trump supporters always leave out the Clinton Foundation donations in order to claim that Cruz “Lied” but they ALWAYS cite donations to Cruz supporting Super PACs when trying to portray Cruz as “bought and paid for”.

Cruz “lie” number 2

  1. Cruz said that "in a recent debate, Trump said if you don’t support socialized healthcare, you are heartless."Trump never spoke those words in a debate, nor anything like that. Liar

I love this for two reasons, the first is the inclusion of “in a debate” in order to call Cruz a “Liar”; they all know Trump has said this multiple times but Cruz is supposed to be a “Liar” because they claim Trump did not “say it in a debate”.

The second thing I love about this claim is that Trump communicated that very position in the Feb 6th debate, here is Trump’s quote;
**"What I do say is, there will be a certain number of people that will be on the street dying and as a Republican, I don’t want that to happen. We’re going to take care of people that are dying on the street because there will be a group of people that are not going to be able to even think in terms of private or anything else, and we’re going to take care of those people.

“And I think everybody on this stage would have to agree, you’re not going to let people die, sitting in the middle of a street in any city in this country.”**

Trump said this in response to Cruz’s position on healthcare that Trump was opposed to, prompting the Moderator to then ask Cruz "Sen. Cruz, to that point, Mr. Trump has said that your position on health care means that maybe you’ve got, quote, ‘no heart.”

Now if you ignore the context of Trumps response and what EVERYBODY including the Moderator gleaned from Trumps response and the EXACT WORDS that Trump then spoke in multiple interviews FOR DAYS after the debate that PROVE that Trump ALSO agreed with what the Moderator and EVERYONE ELSE concluded about Trumps comments…….Then Cruz is a “Liar”?

Cruz “Lie” number 3;

  1. Cruz said the only Supreme pick Trump has suggested, is his sister, who was appointed to an appeals court, by Clinton, and she is a hard line pro-abortion liberal judge. He did say she would make a good judge, but he said he would not appoint her. He has named two other potential nominees. And in addition to that false accusation, he leaves out that Reagan appointed her, in the first place. Liar.

This one is easy, Trump himself conceded that he said “Of course my sister would make a great Supreme Court Judge” (He actually said “Judge” not “Justice”) but he THEN followed up by saying repeatedly “I have no idea what she believes”.

At this time Trump had NEVER mentioned any other Judge that he thought would be solid for the Supreme Court that I can find a record of, but that is only half of the “Lie” claim on Cruz; the other half is that Cruz said Clinton appointed Trumps sister to the Federal Appeals court.

I don’t know how else to say this, there is absolutely no evidence to contradict this Cruz claim. President Clinton nominated Trumps sister (A known Leftist Judge) to the Federal Appeals Court; that is simply a fact.

Reagan did also appoint Trump’s sister to the lower Federal Bench which is subject to the Appeals Court but the Appeals Court is NOT a “promotion”, a Judge MUST be nominated and confirmed to this position and it was done by BILL CLINTON just as Cruz said.

Cruz “Lie” number 4

  1. Cruz said he was uninsured because Blue Cross cancelled all individual policies in Texas. Blue Cross said they still sell individual policies all over Texas, and that his family was notified of their being moved from a PPO to an HMO. Liar.

I love this one as well, especially the “LIAR” accusation that Trump and his supporters attach to it.

Blue Cross called Cruz and said they were not going to be able to continue offering his current private insurance plan due to the coverage restraints of ObamaCare , what the agent DID not tell Cruz until AFTER Cruz referenced this event to a crowd in New Hampshire was that Blue Cross was going to automatically move all of their customers who had the plans which were no longer eligible into a compliant HMO, giving them time to evaluate the coverage and decide if they wanted to keep it.

Cruz said he was now “scrambling around trying to find coverage” because he did not know about the automatic shift into the HMO. When Blue Cross heard that Cruz had said this, the agent called Cruz THE NEXT DAY to let him know that his wife and kids were still covered under the HMO so he did not need to worry about running out of time on his coverage.

If this constitutes being branded a “Liar” then I guess a typo constitutes being branded illiterate.

Cruz “Lie” number 5

  1. He said that a “strong bipartisan majority” voted in the House to repeal Obozocare.
    Actually, only 2 Dems out of 190. Not exactly a bipartisan majority.
  1. 2 Democrats and 188 Republicans is by definition “Bi-Partisan” meaning “2 Party’s”

  2. I cannot find anywhere that says Cruz was referencing a vote that tallied 190 votes, the House has 435 seats so 190 would be a minority.

  3. The House Of Representatives HAS voted in clear majorities several times to repeal Obamacare with some Democratic support.

If anyone can find a “Lie” in any of that I would like to hear it.

Defending an honest man who is also a well vetted Constitutional Conservative against the baseless attacks of a rival candidate who has fewer ethics than a sewer rat is a no brainer, if that “blows up in my face” then this nation deserves the explosion.

By the way, the term “Liar” means someone who lies as a policy, everyone who says something that is not true or entirely true is not a “Liar”; in most cases the most that could be said is that they “Lied”. Trump lies as his natural course, the same could probably be said for Rubio but no other top ten GOP candidate from this cycle would fit such a description.

I guess saying that means I have 8 “messiahs”?


#18

Tiny1, in his zeal for Trump, will no doubt ignore this, RET. Making a minor error in time, precision or exact quote isn’t a “lie.” It’s, at worst, a minor mistake…period…not that I’m conceding that Cruz even did THAT. I like Tiny1 in most things and respect his opinions–again, about most things. He’s just wrong about Trump, and that’s a darned shame. Trump is NOT going to be President this cycle and I don’t believe that he EVER had any intention of BEING President. Prior to 2005, MOST of his political donations went to Democrats and Democrat causes. That changed when he started considering running and then announced his candidacy in 2012 and it was greeted with yawns. He spent the last four years formulating his plan…I believe, in coordination with the Clintons. Of course, we’ll probably NEVER know the whole truth of the matter, but, if he’s of such “sterling character” as some here believe, why would he abandon his long-time “friends” and try to THWART their ambitions.


#19

Um, did you mean Tiny?

But, jftr, I’m aware of where Rubio’s won, P.R.'s station in the vote, and what Kasich is made of.
Obviously Newt Gingrich doesn’t 'cuz he can’t lavish his praises on Kasich enough. It is, however, enough to make you gag:
NEWT GINGRICH: John Kasich’s moment - Washington Times


#20

The notion that to have a way forward requires the formation of a “Constitution Party”, I don’t necessarily disagree. But, it won’t be this year. We need this election NOW!!

Allow me to point this out: Let’s call the Supreme Court what it is - a legislative body. In many ways the most important legislative body there is.

At the present time, there is a very tenuous 4 - 4 split. Given that 2 of the 4 counted as Right of center - Roberts and Kennedy - sometimes swing from either side of the plate ’ ’ ’ Well, you get the idea.

Long story short - any party can be formed for whatever purpose, but should Hillary or any Democrat win this year it is all but assured the SCOTUS going forward will look more like 6 - 3, at best.

As much as anything else and at the very least, that’s what’s at stake in this election. Such a liberal court would be around a LONG time. It’s rulings would directly impact, if not eliminate, “the way forward” for you, your kids and their kids and beyond. IMHO