Birthright Citizenship Ended by Executive Order


#147

Still, tens of thousands are streaming across our unprotected southern border almost daily. That alone would lead one to believe that the numbers of illegals in American is VASTLY larger than the “official” data suggests.


#148

Yet were in a 47-year low.

And people go back.

Any argument you make of “don’t know how many come over” , equally applies to how many go back.

You don’t know how many do Dave, but the CIS seems to think more went back than arrived last year.

And since the CIS wants more immigration restriction, and the wall, I’m going to love your tapdance when you explain to me why CIS would be lying.


#149

The constant total of illegal immigrants is higher, yes. The influx/rate slowed down a lot under Obama, and may have stopped under Trump. Eventually the criminals in the group end up in prison, so the rate of new crimes would go down as the entire group isn’t growing very much anymore.

That’s an important distinction vs “So we should now take NEW waves”. Because the new waves will again bring more problems.

Chucking criminals in prison for long periods of time is probably the leading reason crimes have been falling among all ethnic and income groups. A certain % of people are by far the highest risk for crime, and once they’re gone, there isn’t going to be as much crime.


#150

We KNOW roughly how many are coming here by simply extrapolating from how many are CAUGHT coming here illegally. We have no way of knowing how many are leaving because we don’t “catch” them doing so. I fail to see your point, AS. We’ve been hearing that “we have 11 million illegals here” for the last 30 years. The leftists tell us that we CAN’T deport them now because now they’ve been here for “as much as 30 years” and have American-born kids. If they are reproducing, then they are MULTIPLYING the number of illegals here. I categorically reject the idea that the 14th Amendment give automatic “citizenship” to any baby born on U.S. soil. I does NO SUCH THING. That means that every child born to an illegal while that illegal is in the U.S. is a citizen of their parents home country…NOT the U.S. and is also here illegally.


#151

Except criminality started declining among Hispanics ( and everyone else) more than two decades earlier. It was declining while rates of illegal immigration were rising in the 90’s, and the mid 2000’s.

I agree though that we got better at law enforcement, and isolating the rest from the bad apples. Technology has allowed us to be more precise, and more quickly find where crime emanates from, right down to the block or house.

Which once again means that we’re better off than previous eras who absorbed bigger waves than we have today. We have more means at our disposal to navigate the difficulties, along with a more dire need for them to be here.

I can’t stress it enough; younger populations are also more crime prone. Yet we need a younger population, as the problems of an aging, graying population, are far worse than just that.


#152

Oh I’m saving this. For 5 years you’ve denied this Dave, no take backs now. :wink:

? Yes we do.

Further, if they were using welfare, less are on the rolls.

If they were working jobs, we see more labor shortages.

The very things you’ve said yourself they do, gives us another way to extrapolate how many are going back.


#153

…and yet, we DON’T.


#154

Yes we do. We have an idea of how many leave, which means when less arrive, we know the number has gone down.


#155

BS. We don’t even know how many are HERE today. For 30 years we were told there were 11 million or so. Then Harvard did a “study” and found out that there were between 20 and 30 million illegals here, so we were being lied to by the government for those 30 years previous. The margin of error of that “study” is the same as we were lied to about for all those years, for Pete’s sake! SOME estimates are that there are closer to 50 MILLION here illegally!


#156

It wasn’t just one study. And the people making them, included CIS and the Center for Migration Studies, who are trying to argue for less immigration.

Why would they lie? I don’t see a good answer to that.

I think it’s more likely that people in Red States are just seeing more of the illegal population than they;re used to, because illegals are leaving the Blue States due to high cost of living, and lackluster economies.

Also, I’d just like to point this out one more time: Mexico’s fertility has bottomed out.

They have less and less people to give us, and if other places aren’t sending enough people to match the waves Mexico used to give, then’s perfectly expected that the total illegal population would stagnate.

Meaning, we would have the same number for years and years.


#157

If the issue is “fertility” why do they keep sending us waves of males between the age of 17 and 35, then? The last two “caravans” from Central America were 75% male and most of the women were what the Germans call “zaftig” sort of putting the lie to the “starvation” claims they are making at our border.


#158

Most of those weren’t Mexicans; you’re proving my point.

And you already admitted we know how many are coming, thus, the Central Americans who are coming today, don’t match the numbers of Mexicans who were coming 20 years ago.

The new sources of migrants, don’t match the old one when it was at its peak.


#159

Yet there are still THOUSANDS of illegals attempting to broach our borders…a percentage of which are coming to either get on the government teat or create other forms of mischief, such as rape, robbery, murder, child molestation, kidnapping, drug sales and transport and other forms of mayhem.


#160

Human condition; you’d have that regardless.

And you’d be better able to control it, if you didn’t stop normal people from coming, but gave them an access point.

It’s because you stop normal people, that the bad ones can hide amongst a forest.


#161

“Normal” people don’t intentionally break the law just because doing so will eventually benefit them. “Normal” people respect the law and adhere to it.


#162

They do when you don’t give them another choice.

And that’s the point; the lawful system is intentionally blocking people who shouldn’t be blocked. Too many for the wider market to accept.

If you block too many, it’s the same as creating the black market.


#163

Nonsense. We’re not “blocking people who shouldn’t be blocked.” We’re blocking people who refuse to follow OUR laws about coming into the country. If they refuse to follow THOSE laws, why would we EVER get the idea that they’ll be law-abiding contributors to this country after they disappear into our urban wildernesses? In a LOT of cases, our skepticism about them is well-justified.


#164

Democrats have been saying for at least 15 years that being so poor you can’t afford to eat, makes you fat.


#165

Yes we are. We’re blocking people who don’t have certain work skills or education, even though we know perfectly well that businesses here will hire them all the same.

Those people have no legal line to enter. That’s a fault with the system.


#166

BS, of course…once more. We’re “blocking” people (to the extent that we’re blocking ANYONE) who show no signs of being able to fend for themselves and support themselves outside of the welfare system. I realize that there are businesses who PREFER to hire illegals because they can get away with paying them less than they have to pay citizens plus they can deny paying for any ancillary benefits that a citizen might demand such as health care or a retirement/savings plan. To my way of thinking, that’s merely ANOTHER reason why we should prevent these people from sneaking into the country.