Bottom line


Folks - referring to you and me - can talk all the BS we like, rationalize our action or inaction (vote or not vote; write-in or not write-in) in the upcoming November election as we find appropriate, but the bottom line is this:

Our behavior - yours and mine - on election night will either serve to elect Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton. There is no middle ground and no getting around it.

One of these two people will likely select replacements on the Supreme Court in sufficient number to alter the course of American history. One PROBABLY toward the Right and one no doubt decidedly to the Left.

You are going to participate in this choice whether you actually vote or not.


I have a REAL problem in voting for someone who lied to me.

Voting for him BECAUSE he lied. Lied to slander, smear and destroy his opponent…a far-more worthy man.

I don’t like seeing a liar win through his deceptions. I don’t like being played for a gullible fool by a liar who tried to deceive me.

I ESPECIALLY don’t like going along with the deception when I KNOW it was a lie.

I was an early supporter of Trump. But once I saw what he was about; and once I saw he had no interest in issues, only in smears and slanders…that was IT. I did what I could to support another.

Trump was rammed up our mmm-mmm-mmms. And now the same people who promoted the Democrat-style slanders, are telling us, RINO-style, that not only is he the only one who can win, but you Teabaggers and Constitution fetishists just better GET ON BOARD.

I don’t like threats and intimidation any more than I like lies.

I don’t know what I’ll do in the general. The Montana Primary is in a week, and I still intend to vote for my preferred candidate. I will not validate that loud clown with an assenting vote.

In the general…I’ll decide when it happens. I had considered voting for Johnson - but obviously he’s even less serious than Trump. Stripping to his undies to take his party’s nomination? What the HELL is the MATTER with these people?


JPT - you are correct, we have a VERY sad choice in November. But, no matter what, one of these two people (assuming Clinton is not indicted) will be elected POTUS. One of them will be selecting Sup Ct Justices - Justices who will significantly influence this country’s direction long after Trump or Hilary leaves office.

Unfortunately, that is the stark reality.


We have no real choice at all.

We have the choice between a corrupt crypto-Marxist and student of Alinsky; or a corrupt neo-Fascist influence-peddler and student of Tammany.

Really. WHAT do you think Trump really KNOWS about construction or development. Can he lay bricks? Run a grader? Draw up blueprints? Engineer structures, or design them?

NO. He would get on the phone and CALL the politicians who make a living getting in the way with their bags opened…and “negotiate” a “deal.” It’s pretty obvious his schtick was to serve as an interface between REAL developers and builders, and the dirty, corrupt, hostile politicians who wanted to block all commercial activity to collect “tolls.”

Legitimate developers won’t play that game. Playing it wrong, as a stranger, can get a developer clapped in the State Pen.

Trump…had CONNECTIONS. He wouldn’t get clapped in the can. He was the Go-To guy, who could play the game, and even if it blew up…Donnie was okay because his old man was okay, and he’s from the City, and waddyah WANT? He’s just being Donnie…

That is NOT the basis for the job of Leader of the Free World. It’s a job for a connected clown; a stooge.

Which is what Trump is.

There is no choice. We’re farked, no matter which way it goes.


The electoral votes in my state will go to Trump. I can do whatever I want with my vote and have no impact. I don’t have to be a lemming.


Romans 1:18-32

This portion of scripture, IMHO, is exactly, or dangerously close to, where we are in this country today!!
I personally do not believe that we will survive as the political entity we have been in the past regardless of the outcome in November.
I do hope and pray that the Christian populace will experience a revival, but do not look for that to “save the union” from political disaster.
Would love to be proven wrong and we could survive AND regain our international standing, but—!!
Thankfully, it’s all in His hands.:wave:


I’m afraid I’m not ready to throw my hands in the air and give up - not as long as there is any chance of leaving something upon which to build once the dust settles.

To those sitting around wringing their hands claiming things are hopeless all I can say is, you don’t/cannot know that with certaintly.

You want hopeless - picture the Supremes with 2 or 3 more Ginsbergs, Sotomayors or Kagans sitting on the court canonizing the Progressive agenda for the next 25 years. Now, that’s hopeless.


Ginsburg can’t even sing.


Respectfully FreedomNut…that scripture needs to be posted.

Romans 1:18-32New International Version (NIV)

God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


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In the general…I’ll decide when it happens. I had considered voting for Johnson - but obviously he’s even less serious than Trump. Stripping to his undies to take his party’s nomination? What the HELL is the MATTER with these people?
[/quote]Good grief, how stupid do people have to be. What an embarrassing jackass. It wasn’t Johnson, btw. He kept his clothes on, along with everyone else, who mostly were disgusted according to the reports I’m reading. It was a moron named James Weeks, who was a candidate for chairman.

At first, a few people in the crowd cheered and clapped along, as seen in footage from the convention.

But by the end of his two-minute strip spectacle, even the most free-minded Libertarians in the room were booing and jeering.

The political world will never know how well this tactic would have worked: As soon as Weeks finished his dance, he told the crowd, “Sorry, it was a dare. I’m gonna go ahead and drop out.”

He walked off the stage as a convention manager called him an “ass” and an “idiot.”

According to reports from the convention, the bare-all Libertarian entered the chairman race late and was not even listed on the party’s materials. Weeks previously ran as a Libertarian candidate for Livingston County Sheriff in his home state of Michigan.

Libertarian Party candidate strips, dances at national convention - NY Daily News


serious, well funded…or was that well endowed, libertarians.


[quote=“Caroline, post:11, topic:48799”]
serious, well funded…or was that well endowed, libertarians.
[/quote]I don’t want to know how well endowed any candidate is. EVER!


Bill Kristol might. :wink:


Kristol, trying to preserve his vaunted position and sinecure, is going to destroy it all.

If he’s jackass enough to carry out this d@mn-fool plan, and then Madame wins…He and his stooge and his conspirators WILL be blamed.

They may think they’re preserving Institutional-Insider-dom. What they will be doing is destroying the entire political class - Her Hillaryness will do that anyway; but the frantic fools will be looking for someone to blame. If Cruz had done anything since he bowed out, the guns would have been trained on him. Disappearing is probably his smartest option at this point.

So…the Insiders, watching their House of Cards collapse from their own incompetence and lack of substance…will look frantically for someone to scapegoat. If Kristol is there, he’ll draw the fire. And they won’t be entirely wrong, either…the collapse will come from their insular denial of economic and social realities; but it’s gonna be Kristol who pulls out the last supporting post. Or supporting card.

Sorry, but nothing can save us now, except maybe a Trump victory, followed rapidly by a Donnie stroking-out and Gingrich being inaugurated. Really that’s the best we can hope for…I no longer trust Newt, he’s changed…but there WAS something there and may still be.

I cannot say the same for Trump, or for this harpy who was married to Monica’s boyfriend…or the deranged Libertarians. Or any back-bencher RINO that Kristol and his PAC managers are able to hustle up.


The “Bottom Line” for me is that there are 2 major candidates who both agree that I am the problem, both think that those who hold my priorities and embrace the solutions that I embrace are crippling the ability of the United States to thrive; both of these candidates have made it clear in no uncertain terms that they will use the power of the Presidency to crush those who believe as I do if they win the White House in the next election.

The idea that I should choose a preference between those who both want to execute me seems ridiculous, the idea that one committed assassin would be better than another is a pretty difficult argument to make; and it requires that the one being swayed has a desire to die in the first place.

I know exactly who Clinton and Trump are, they have both been extremely consistent for many decades and both encourage their followers every day by reaffirming their well worn histories.


I was merely alluding to the number of politicians who have made that an issue of ridicule or commendation starting with the question to Bubba Clinton…‘boxers? or briefs?’ AND THE FOOL ANSWERED.

One of these libertarian candidates STRIPPED for the crowd and walked around in his skivvies. Our office of the presidency has taken a huge hit for classlessness. And many seem happy with that.

The trump family dresses…and dresses appropriately, Trump raised his kids to respect their elders, their parents, each other and THEMSELVES. He and His children do not drink or do drugs and so far we’ve seen no sexual perversions. They seem to be normal people. It’s time for some normal people in the white house. They are not arrogant, they respect others who work for them. Did you see how Trump personally thanked his motorcycle escort a few days ago? He got out of his vehicle and he personally shook the hand of each one thanking them. NOW THAT is a decent man.


The fall of the Roman Empire.

Compare Julius Caesar with Caligula or Nero. Or the last emperor, whose name I forget…an irrelevant, silly buffoon. The empire was gone and he knew it and was happy to have a few of the trappings for a short time.

We went from humble George Washington to resolute Abraham Lincoln, to cunning traitors on their mission such as the academic, Wilson. To political lifers like Johnson, who cared only about securing the “N*****r Vote” for perpetuity.

As with the Romans, we had some leaders try to take us back to former glory. Reagan was of an earlier time - and in the best sense of it. He could only do so much.

And George W. Bush, unsuitable politician though he was, had the proper deportment and temperament for the office. But those two were just interruptions on the downward trajectory.

And here we are.


100% agreement.
The Other parties didn’t put someone up I like either.
I don’t like Gary Johnson.
I hate Hillary.

Looks like I have to hold my nose and vote R again.


I liked Donald in the beginning. That like turned into hate very quickly. I hate him with a passion but I will vote for him because of the supreme court. I believe if he should get in office it will become very clear very fast what a creep he really is. I believe he will turn other Countries against us very quickly. The congress is too much of a wimp to impeach him so we will be stuck with him for four years. However, we may get a couple of conservative supreme justices out of it. Hopefully, when he totally tanks the debates with Hillary, it won’t turn too many conservatives against him. He may be smart but he certainly does not come across as intelligent at all. Biggly drives me nuts …


Unfortunately I think Hillary is going to win regardless.