Car Battery Theory: A critique in metaphor


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<!–[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]–> [LEFT][LEFT]Welfare doesn’t work. I am not saying those who promote it aren’t trying to help, but it is ineffective. Welfare does not help and it often makes things worse. I will give you an example. [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]
“Car Battery Theory”
[/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]You are flagged down by a perfect stranger who is broken down on the side of the road. You examine the car and find out that the battery is dead. So you open up the trunk, get out the jumper cables and connect the two. You sit there for a while, you see the battery getting stronger, but still not being able to keep a charge without your car attached to it. [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]So, you come up with a wonderful solution that will get this poor stranger off the side of the road. You and this stranger will in perpetuity, keep the cars attached by jumper cables. And for years, you drive around in tandem with these jumper cables the only lifeline keeping the stranger’s car going. People have stopped you, mechanics, police, and all manner of folks who tell you, you shouldn’t drive around attached like that. [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]And you scoffed “You heartless bastard, you would leave this nice stranger stranded on the side of the road?” [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]“No,” they reply, “we want to get the car going without the cables. It was not meant to be driven like this.”[/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]But the stranger is afraid, having spent so much time reliant on you, he has forgotten how to drive his car without you and how to keep the car going at all, you have done all the repairs. You reassure this person that you will not abandon him to this lifetime of loneliness. [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]What is the correct solution to this predicament? [/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT]
(DISCLAIMER: I AM IN NO WAY A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, NOR EVEN A CAR MECHANIC. I CAN’T EVEN CHANGE MY OWN OIL. I USED THESE EXAMPLES AS A METAPHOR. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS IS EVEN POSSIBLE OR NOT. BUT IT IS SIMPLY MY PHILOSOPHICAL “CAR BATTERY THEORY”)
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#2

I think the solution would be to teach him how to use the car properly, so eliminating the metaphor, we should teach those on welfare skills so they can get off of welfare. That requires education.


#3

A liberal coworker suggested a compromise, have welfare but require community service hours, mandatory job training, and proof of job seeking. I went, that’s what Obama got rid when he took office. It was basically Clinton’s keynote legislation. Minus the CS hours. Besides I already see the headlines "Community Service required for welfare. Blacks scream racism “like workin for the massah”.


#4

I think the analogy is in many ways apt.


#5

They need to invent wireless jumper cables.


#6

Now that is an interesting concept. I remember awhile back talk about the future of broadcast power to supply power to homes as well as cars.


#7

Maybe not wireless, but jumpstarting a car with a RC plane battery:


#8

First off, yes it would work.

The issue is a failed alternator so the tethered cars alternator would sustain both cars batteries at least until the tethered cars alternator also burned out (probably within a week instead of years with normal use). I only added that because this fact would enable an even more extrapolated truth from your analogy since Welfare not only creates dependency for the mooch but destroys the capacity of those who enable the sloth as well. You could explain how many good alternators would be destroyed prematurely just so one guy would never have to fix one alternator.

Secondly, great analogy.

Thirdly, Jstang’s comment is hilarious considering the “solutions” that the Left come up with when the absurdity of their ideas becomes known but they just WON’T LET GO!!!

Fourthly, the compromise your friend proposed is not viable because the same Left that want a functioning car tethered to a broken car indefinitely also will in no universe except “Workfare” since that would decrease the need for Public Union Employees. This has been a popular idea for decades amongst the people but it is shot down violently and in no uncertain terms by the Unions who fund Liberal campaigns whenever it rears its head.

The other two “solutions” your friend mentioned were a step in the right direction before Obama trashed them but they were still wrought with fraud and gaming of the system.

Turn the whole concept of Charity back over to the Churches and give the people their tax money back, if this included a 12 month warning so current leaches could better prepare I would be fine with that but they must be shoved out of the nest.


#9

Aha! You have watched Monty Python!

That’s exactly what I was cracking about. No, we must somehow find a way to keep supporting the “needy.”

Bull droppings! Make them fix their car!


#10

The real world also have mechanics to fix cars. What are they in this analogy? Lenders or “for-profit” welfare?


#11

Wow!

There are no “Mechanics” in the analogy because Liberals reject all efforts to “fix” problems and instead support an ongoing unaccountable system of supporting the broken thing by exhausting other things.

“Free Money” with no means test to determine whether the recipient is needy or lazy.
“Free job training” with no accountability to pursue work or repay the expense.
“Free housing” with no accountability to keep these mooches from destroying it.
“Free education” with no requirement to get decent grades or repay the expense later.
NO mandatory, regular drug and alcohol testing for those on the public dole.
NO automatic rescind of benefits for those on the dole who are convicted of crimes.

The analogy is perfect, it describes how the Left design every government “program” perfectly and illustrates how absurd the ideas and methods are when held up to the light.


#12

And I’m asking, keeping to the analogy, how do people with broken down cars fix them if they don’t know how? Sometimes all they need is a jump from generous people or some organization, like AAA. Someone could teach them, but that costs effort and money, quite a lot of it if they want to fix their car in a way so that it won’t quickly break down again. If they have money, they could get a mechanic, but that costs skill on the part of the mechanic, and sometimes paying someone off to fix your problems doesn’t always work. You could use the tether, but that’s unsustainable as well. (I think a better analogy for welfare would be all cars collectively giving energy to the broken down one, but that nit pick doesn’t matter) So what is the solution to broken down cars?

And respectively, these solutions would basically mean either charity, insurance, education, bribes, or welfare. The solution would seem to be some combination of all of them.


#13

Google “Car won’t keep running after jumper cables are removed”

Bingo! You learn you have a bad alternator.

Google “Buy Alternator for ***********”

Bingo! you see a picture of an alternator and multiple purchase and price options, pick one and order it.

Google “How to replace alternator on *********”

Bingo! You find the 5 simple steps (with pictures) and the list of 4 tools needed for the job (metric nut driver set, metric socket set, needle nose plyers and 1/2 inch breaker bar).

Google “Buy metric nut driver set, metric socket set, needle nose plyers and 1/2 inch breaker bar”

Bingo! Multiple options and prices, pick one.

Fix the car.

Complete B.S.
When I was in high school I was adapting used alternators off of different cars to work on the vehicle I had because I could not afford to buy the right parts new.

Cars are not difficult to get a basic understanding of and in the age of the Internet there is just no excuse for being clueless about anything that you use regularly.


#14

Perhaps you forgot this was an analogy? Your experience with cars is not what’s under discussion.

In any case, what you just described involves education and someone’s own personal capitol and skills, and if it isn’t a car and is instead, say, a lost job, or going broke, getting an education and enough capitol to fix THAT problem is a bit more troubling than buying another alternator for the car.

I can google “I lost my job and am broke and have little education,” but I probably won’t find as many easy solutions to that problem.


#15

Wrong again, the exact discussion is the “help” that is offered to the “poor” and how it is the opposite of what they actually need and what will have a positive result.

What I just described is EXACTLY how I turned many clueless young boys and girls into capable adults that can overcome simple issues like a malfunctioning car, screwed up computer, thermostat that won’t light the furnace, refrigerator that won’t cool, washer that won’t spin, dryer that won’t heat and thousands of other “ailments” cheaply and easily.

Buy a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for life.

I have an 11th grade education and that is being generous considering the grades I got before I dropped out, common sense and tenacity are cheap.

Those who are too lazy to self educate when they lack the means to gain a formal education are too lazy to learn anything useful in a formal environment anyway.

If you cannot afford an alternator for the cost of the part then you cannot afford a car.

Buying a car when you cannot afford one does not fulfill a transportation need, it creates new financial problems. There is your economics lesson.

Finding a new vocation, self educating and scrounging up capital is precisely the type of life challenges that build self esteem and turn the helpless into productive members of society. Everything I know of value I gleaned from this crucible and I would know none of it if I tried to smooth every bump with a government handout that came with no “strings attached”

I would be a Liberal in other words.

Wrong again, there are countless discussion and advice sites that do not hail from a .gov that have fantastic advice and information for those looking to better their lot without taking the property of others by force with a government gun.


#16

This thread is perfect example of how Liberals are incapable of doing anything for themselves.


#17

[quote=“Conservative_Libertarian, post:16, topic:38978”]
This thread is perfect example of how Liberals are incapable of doing anything for themselves.
[/quote]While blaming others for their ineptude


#18

[quote=“Conservative_Libertarian, post:16, topic:38978”]
This thread is perfect example of how Liberals are incapable of doing anything for themselves.
[/quote]Exactly, all solutions to all problems must exclude all participation from the one being “helped” or else it does not count as a solution.


#19

What saddens me most about Trekky’s post is that it comes across as someone who cannot count on friends when in a tough spot.


#20

That is a sad reality of Liberalism, if nobody celebrates, honors or encourages achievement and overcoming obstacles via personal character then your entire universe is populated by helpless people waiting for government to solve all their problems.

Lonely and bored waiting for the magic food card to show a balance again.