Consolidated Gay Issue Thread


#1

Based on complaints about too many gay threads, this is a new one. I’m not implementing the anti-Ron Paul spam rule since it isn’t fanatics spamming the site and starting all the threads, so you’ll have to police yourselves and move your conversations here. You’ll want to tell the other folks to do so as well in case they miss this.

Please do continue on folks…


#2

How about, for this thread, the topic:

What do conservatives fear will happen if gays and lesbians are just left alone to live their lives?


#3

Probably more AIDS.

But I am all for letting them live their lives. Government has no right to say otherwise and I have no time or will to argue with them.


#4

Nothing, except for their souls. What we do fear happening is that the homosexual activists will be true to their own history of recent decades and not leave us alone and try to force us to accept them. There’s a girl who used to post here who’s a self-proclaimed lesbian, and she freely admits that she can’t stand what she calls the “pride rats.”


#5

Exactly.


#6

Oh those intolerant queers, they never leave you alone. Question: Where were you when being gay was still a crime in this country? Did you leave us alone then, or did you vote for the bigots who oppressed us? How many of the current GOP candidates have said they would make homosexuality a crime again if they could? And now you want to complain that we don’t leave you alone.

No one can force you to accept anything. What we can and will do is force you to stop using the government (i.e. the state) to legally discriminate against us, by exercising our due right to speak and to vote.


#7

“Being gay” was never a crime. There were a few laws on the books against homosexual activity that were seldom if ever invoked. I daresay that Lawrence vs. Texas was the first time that specific law was ever invoked - and I still strongly suspect that was a set up. They looked for such a law, then set up the situation. I daresay the police officer(s) that performed the arrest was in on it. How in the world did they know what was going on without being tipped off by one or both of the participants?

Incidentally, I daresay there are still many laws on many books against adultery, but those, also, are seldom if ever invoked. But how many adulterers do we see taking to the streets to defend their rights? They are rightly ashamed of their behaviour (besides what happens when their spouse finds out!), so they try - as a general rule - to keep it discreet. The rise in the lack of discretion among adulterers is probably partly influenced by the “pride” of the gays.


#8

Well, you are wrong. Here is a brief legal history of anti-homosexuality laws in Texas:

The History of Sodomy Laws in the United States - Texas

Please browse the same site for other relevant information. Prior to 1960, homosexuality was a crime in every single state and thousands of gays were arrested every year. What you are saying here is no different from saying that blacks and whites were never segregated in the south. You’re denying most of the history of the LGBT civil rights movement. I was struck dumb at first, by the revelation that you didn’t know about this, but now that I’ve thought about it, it explains a lot about how you are able to see gays as the aggressors in this whole decades-long struggle.

The police in Lawrence v. Texas were tipped off by a neighbor of the two men who were arrested. The neighbor had been accused of harassing the men before because they were gay. He told the police that there was a domestic disturbance, which allowed the police to enter the home. He later admitted that he lied about the disturbance and plead guilty to the charge of filing a false police report.

This is all on Wikipedia: Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#9

So how did the neighbor know? Was he part of the plan? Do you really know for sure all the ramifications of this? And I repeated already, the existence of laws mean little. Furthermore, laws are made (supposedly) to keep our country clean. Why not have laws against one of the filthiest acts in society? And since the “gay” movement took hold, how many crimes committed by homosexuals (because of their homosexuality) have been downplayed? Remember the 13-year-old boy who was killed by 2 gays even though his parents thought they were trustworthy? This was not a big headliner, you had to search for it; and if I remember right, there were even excuses made for the gays. “Oh, they’re so persecuted, you can’t blame them!” Maybe not exactly that, but along that line.


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#10

OK. I’ve had enough of this; you go on my iggy list.


#11

I have no idea how the neighbor knew, but the fact is that he did. He admitted to filing the false police report. He plead guilty. It’s in the record.

Oh please. There is nothing filthier about my relationship than about the average heterosexual relationship. I’ve seen plenty of hetero porn and besides, this is the very definition of prejudice; you have no right to judge people you know nothing about. It sounds to me that you’re now arguing that homosexuality should have been a crime, in which case the question I asked when I first posted on this thread has been answered.


#12

Sure, run away and never speak to me again. How dare I correct you with some basic facts and legal citations?

You know, the average person would at least have had the decency to say, “Oops, I was wrong,” or “Thank you for pointing that out,” but not you. Not only do you not admit your mistake but you actually lash out at me for showing you the truth. I guess I should have expected as much.


#13

Some stuff that never happened:


#14

But that’s an argument for permitting gays to marry. A gay couple will care for each other, just as any other married couple will “in sickness and in health”. Such mutual support from family will reduce the burden on taxpayers. And since a married couple is more likely to be monagamous, they’re more likely to lead healthier lives (again, at less cost to the taxpayers).

Indeed, the argument for permitting gays to marry is an inherently CONSERVATIVE one.


#15

[quote=“Jazzhead, post:14, topic:33143”]
But that’s an argument for permitting gays to marry. A gay couple will care for each other, just as any other married couple will “in sickness and in health”. Such mutual support from family will reduce the burden on taxpayers. And since a married couple is more likely to be monagamous, they’re more likely to lead healthier lives (again, at less cost to the taxpayers).

Indeed, the argument for permitting gays to marry is an inherently CONSERVATIVE one.
[/quote]Homosexual men have the highest infidelity rate of any group. fewer than 30% of homo relationships last more than 2 years, and most homo men report having more than 7 affairs/year. some say they have had hundreds of partners.

This opinion appears to be shared by homosexuals themselves. Gareth Kirby, Managing Editor of Vancouver’s homosexual newspaper, XtraWest, stated:

… In our culture, we haven’t created the same hierarchy as has heterosexual culture. We know that love has many faces, and names, ages, places. … We know that a 30-year relationship is no better, no better, than a nine-week, or nine-minute, fling - it’s different, but not better. Both have value. We know that the instant intimacy involved in that perfect 20-minute[sic] … in Stanley Park can be a profoundly beautiful thing. We know a two-year relationship where people live apart is as beautiful, absolutely as beautiful, as a 30-year relationship where people live together. We know that the people involved in an open relationship can love each other as deeply as the people in a closed relationship …

Your argument is false, ridiculous, and naive.


#16

In my experience, the exact same statistic is true of hetero relationships.

If what you say is valid then explain why the same-sex marriages in the UK end in divorce less than half as often as heterosexual marriages. In the Netherlands, where same-sex marriages have been performed for over a decade, only 5% have ended in divorce, compared to 38% among straight marriages.

U.K. Straight Divorce Rate Outstrips Gay Dissolutions | World News | The Advocate
Gay Divorce? « Toward a Moral Life

Also explain why Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country and why it’s actually lowered since same-sex marriages have been performed there.

What’s naive is to take the opinion of some gay guy in a magazine and attribute it to all same-sex couples without any regard for facts.


#17

What we do fear happening is that the homosexual activists will be true to their own history of recent decades and not leave us alone and try to force us to accept them.

This strikes me as vague: force you to accept them how? Concentration camps? Do you consider it “force” when people have equal representation in culture, or the law?

There’s a girl who used to post here who’s a self-proclaimed lesbian, and she freely admits that she can’t stand what she calls the “pride rats.”

Do you honestly believe that homosexuals would have stopped being persecuted (that’s what anti-sodomy laws were, after all) if they simply stayed invisible?


#18

“Being gay” was never a crime.

Anti-sodomy laws made homosexuality a crime. It is why now in less developed countries, like Malaysia, a man was put under trial for sodomy and risked being sent to jail for twenty years because of the accusation of gay sex.

Incidentally, I daresay there are still many laws on many books against adultery, but those, also, are seldom if ever invoked. But how many adulterers do we see taking to the streets to defend their rights?

Nobody cares about adultery in this day and age. The sexual revolution took care of that, as did the ease of divorce (now couples can settle adultery disputes on their own). If conservative culture was as vindictive against adulterers now as it is against homosexuals, then those laws would have to be struck down.

Furthermore, laws are made (supposedly) to keep our country clean. Why not have laws against one of the filthiest acts in society?

Moral laws like these have little place in a free society. They serve only to oppress it.


#19

Am I imagining things or did she just say that same-sex relationships should be a crime?

I don’t know how you keep your sanity on this forum, Aveskde. I thought I could stand anything but this is a cesspit of the most deranged, hateful intolerance I’ve ever experienced.


#20

Am I imagining things or did she just say that same-sex relationships should be a crime?

Implied, yes.

I don’t know how you keep your sanity on this forum, Aveskde. I thought I could stand anything but this is a cesspit of the most deranged, hateful intolerance I’ve ever experienced.

I don’t let my emotions enter the discussion, so I am never offended by what is said, with very few exceptions.