Faith And Beliefs Forum? 8)


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[quote=“sillipuddi, post:1, topic:39157”]

[/quote]That is true


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Love it


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It’s biblical to defend ourselves and the marines are here to protect us.
God bless them :slight_smile:


#5

THAT is really cool! Where is that sign?


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I have looked for the original but I have read elsewhere that it is a photoshop job … done from a bumper sticker!?


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I want that bumper sticker right below the one that says, “Jesus is coming soon and boy is he pissed”.


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It’s biblical to defend ourselves and the marines are here to protect us.

Thank you for this. Some of my church members have questioned whether involvement in the military is biblically-justified. It is, I admit, a question I have asked of myself many times. I do believe that faith should be matched by action, though, and that defending our civil liberties, our values and our nation is, without a doubt, biblical. (But I’d like a few of you to agree with me!)


#9

It’s easy to romanticize warfare from a religious perspective as simply the act of “defending our freedom.” But very seldom is US military force used for defense but rather to project geopolitical interests where it suits our strategic and economic objectives. I hardly see how Obama killing dozens of impoverished children in the hills of Pakistan serves to defend me in any way. American Christians seem a little too eager to beat the war drum for nationalist and religious purposes beyond anything supported by the the authors of the New Testament.


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It’s easy to romanticize warfare from a religious perspective as simply the act of “defending our freedom.” But very seldom is US military force used for defense but rather to project geopolitical interests where it suits our strategic and economic objectives. I hardly see how Obama killing dozens of impoverished children in the hills of Pakistan serves to defend me in any way. American Christians seem a little too eager to beat the war drum for nationalist and religious purposes beyond anything supported by the the authors of the New Testament.

This view does fit with what some of the members of my church are saying.


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“American Christians”? I’m sure you’d like to annihilate religion all together because you’re unable to understand it from a spiritual standpoint, but blaming wars on American Christians is absurd. You sound like another one of those disgruntled liberals who hate living where they choose to live because it’s better than anywhere else and they have a license to speak freely and live freely where they won’t be hung, tortured or put to death for their lifestyles or beliefs.


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I was not sure what stance most board members would have on the military - I am glad to see it seems to be, on the whole, very positive.


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The liberals never care to address this issue, but there’s been more wars started under the godless liberal Democrats than the Republicans.

Wars started by the Democrats 16

Wars started by Republicans 10

Indian Wars occurred in every Presidency up to the 20th Century. Many were the results of broken treaties.They will not be counted.

Franco-American Naval War(Quasi War): John Adams, Federalist(Ancestor Party of the Republicans); See XYZ affair for reason of war

First Barbary War: Thomas Jefferson, Democratic-Republican(Ancestor Party of the Democrats); Tripolitians ransomed American Sailors and tried to blackmail US. When the US refused the Pasha(equivalent to king) declared war.

Second Barbary War and War of 1812: James Madison, Democratic-Republican; Second Barbary War began the same way as the first only with the Bey of Algiers declaring war. While the War of 1812 can be argued as being a war about sailor’s rights, the real motive was Canada.

Mexican-American War: James K. Polk, Democratic; The Republic of Texas had a claim to Land between the Rio Grand and San Antionio(which the US inherited), which was not valid. Polk sent troops to the territory to protect it and the Mexican government sent troops to drive it out.

American Civil War: Abraham Lincoln, Republican; First fought to preserve the Union(the right to secede is still debated to this day) later to end slavery.

Korea(1876); Ulysses S. Grant, Republican; Called Choson at the time, the country attacked and destroyed an American Navy Vessel. The war was fought with similar motives as Perry’s visit with Japan.

Spanish-American War and Phillipine Insurrection: William McKinley, Republican; American Naval Ship Maine sent to monitor alleged mistreatment of the civilians of Cuba and protect American economic interests. The ship was destroyed and the press (the real instigators of the war)of the time placed the now doubtful blame on the Spanish. US fought the war to free Cuba. McKinley announced that giving the Filipinos Independence outright would be like simply handing them over the Germans or Japanese(because of the geographic position) and harm American economic Interests.

Haiti; Vera Cruz occupation, Pancho Villa, World War I: Woodrow Wilson, Democratic; Troops were sent in to stabilize Haiti, Vera Cruz was occupied to prevent ships from Germany delivering guns to the government. Pancho Villa made several attacks on Americans(because he was not recognized as President of Mexico) forcing Wilson to send troops to capture Villa. WWI involvement was the result of Germany violating Neutrality rights.

Nicaragua: Calvin Coolidge, Republican; Like Haiti the objective was stabilization.

World War II: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Democratic; Asked for declaration of war after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Germany and Italy declared war two days later.

Korean war (1950-54): Harry S. Truman, Democrat; North Korea, in violation of a UN treaty, invaded South Korea. Troops were sent to contain communism.

Vietnam War: Lyndon B. Johnson, Democratic; involvement started after two American gunboats were attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin(the reports have now been proven falsified.).

Grenada: Ronald Reagan, Republican; When a Communist government took over the country, it persecuted the American college students studying there.

Panama, Persian Gulf War Operation Restoring Freedom: George HW Bush, Republican; Noriega, leader of Panama was charged with drug traffickingand through Noriega’s power, Panama would declare war(Though retaining the Canal is alleged to be the real motive). Persian Gulf War was fought to Liberate Kuwait from Iraq and protect Saudi Arabia from an Invasion(also to protect oil interests). Troops were sent to Somalia to assist in the feeding the hungry after guerrillas shot up UN aid convoys.

Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq: Bill Clinton, Democratic Party; troops were sent to Bosnia to enforce peacekeeping. Yugoslavia was attacked over genocide upon the ethnic Albanians
in Kosovo. Air assaults were done upon Iraq after it failed to comply with UN weapons inspectors.

Afghanistan and Iraq: George W. Bush, Republican; Invasion of Afghanistan was the result of the Taliban ruled government’s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden. Iraq’s invasion is still under debate.

Final Score: Democrats: 16
Republicans: 10

Source:[/h] Wikipedia


#14

Wow! What a fantastic historian!!!


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With Google, any thing’s possible. :redface: I just have good memory for certain facts. :noclue:


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Kathica, the following blog piece may have several very helpful points that relate to the question that you have asked yourself many times, namely “whether involvement in the military is biblically-justified?”

Was Jesus A Pacifist ? No He Was Not A Pacifist. - Member Blogs - Conservative Republican Discussion Forums

I would argue against pacifism as you can tell from the title of the blog piece.

Kathica, you may have seen this famous Mill quote.

** "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, is often the means of their regeneration. **** A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ** As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other." __John Stuart Mill

Thought For Today:
“Only the dead have seen an end to war.”__Plato


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Great post Jack. If any Christian doubts the resolve of our Lord and God, just read the Book of Revelation and see what’s going to happen to the evil godless when He returns. Our earthly wars are nothing compared to what God said He’s going to do to them.

It’s my opinion that some wars have the hand of God upon them knowing what their end will bring to fulfill His word.


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The first entry is repeated in the second (two reports of the same instance):

(2 Samuel 22:35) He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

(Psalms 18:34) He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

(Psalms 144:1) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Seems like King David believed that God enabled him to fight the wars that came his way.


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These posts are very encouraging (most of them, anyway!) Thank you so much. I have wrestled with this subject a while now.


#20

Great scriptures you posted!

Here’s another one,

Matthew 10:34-36King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.