Fluke testifies, "Birth Control Is a Medicine... Religious Schools Schools Should Pay

I have a very good Third Way that is already available in many insurance plans:

Prior Authorization.

I used to work for a prescription benefit manager and many plans my employer had had a method whereby certain meds would only be covered with a Prior Authorization. Some reasons might be high usage, interactions with other meds or Medical Necessity. I saw numerous plans where birth control would require Prior Auth and the plan would only pay where there was medical necessity; some condition where a medical care provider decided that birth control medications were the most effective means of treating a given condition (Ovarian Cysts are a good example as mentioned upthread). In other words, the MD/NP would provide the insurance company with documentation of the patient’s condition and a treatment that would not be otherwise covered would be covered.

Missed this: Does your insurance cover it?

Anyone opposed to the Catholic restriction on birth control is** free to work for another organization not so constrained**… or is that just too obvious?

qix, I think you may be trying to make a “Free Exercise” argument to some one who doesn’t much value religious freedom.

Yeah, I guess. I don’t even know why I bother. It’s nothing but :banghead:

It’s a pretty understandable human foible to not care about a right you don’t use. Many who don’t own guns could hardly care less about the Second Amendment; many non-religious people similarly care little about the “Free Exercise” clause of the First Amendment.

What can I say, I’m agnostic, and still this ticks me off something fierce…

On that note…

Gloria Allred Champions Limbaugh Prosecution - ktla.com

although quite frankly, it would be obvious to say that the need for an excuse belies a predisposition to wanting to prosecute just because of the difference in political disposition.

and possibly loss of most if not all of his advertizers. had he not apologized he stood a stronger chance of showing the sluts true intentions.

And at this point, it seems pretty clear that the numbers of advertisers leaving Limbaugh’s show are a product of the Chemical Ali of the left trying to declare their ban Limbaugh campaign as if it was succesful. The reality is that Limbaugh has probably gained listeners, replaced advertisers, and is a position to pick and choose whether he accepts new or returning advertisers:

Limbaugh and Sleep Train part for good - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post

Outside that this woman is an agitator for what ever cause she trumpets about hasn’t she heard of the sponge?

Just a thought that I don’t know that it particulary has a specific place to go, so I’m putting it here…

I’ve read often that advocates of covering birth control pills often state an arguement about why is viagra covered but not birth control pills.

But viagra is not mandated to be covered by insurance, nor do all insurance policies cover it. So ultimately, if we are to believe that BCP must be covered in the same manner that viagra is covered, the position advocates against government mandating of BCP coverage.

So if this arguement comes up from a liberal, tell them you agree. Nothing requires insurance to cover erectile dysfunction medication, therefore nothing should require coverage for birth control pills either.

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2: IN today’s world, ACCESS means "it will be provided, and usually free!"
3:That is nothing similar to working for the Catholic Church or one of it’s subsidiaries. If I work for a jew, I can still have pork in the chow hall. If I work for the synagogue though, I’m sure it would be different.

What can I say, I’m agnostic, and still this ticks me off something fierce…

Maybe I can say it for you, qix. You “get” the wisdom of Martin Niemoller’s famous, “When they came for …,” lament. Once the rights-crushing snowball starts rolling down the hill, there’s no knowing whose rights will get crushed, unless, in the end, it’s everybody’s.

That’s partly it, Pete, but not all. I really hate to see decent folks forced at gunpoint to financially support actions they find morally repugnant.

Here’s a thought: if birth control is a medicine, shouldn’t food be considered a medicine (definitely a medical necessity!) and covered by insurance, too?

No one said they have to provide birth control. They have to provide ACCESS to it through their healthcare program.

What a sleight-of-hand euphemism! First of all, nothing hinders a woman from getting a prescription for birth control pills from her ob/gyn (with a few obvious exceptions - e.g. a minor who need parental permission (?) or a woman who no longer has need). So women already have access. Second, and consequently, what the Obama Administration is doing is not to provide “access”, but to force employers to pay for birth control pills - regardless of religious objections some employers have. And as qix pointed out, it also is government mandating an expense on businesses, a burdensome barrier to smaller businesses, and government diverting large businesses’ money from purposes they might deem more profitable to the company (and not just in the income statement bottom line sense of the word “profitable”).

Putting it more simply, Obama is mandating something that is none of government’s @#$% business!!!

[quote=“qixlqatl, post:53, topic:33813”]
That’s partly it, Pete, but not all. I really hate to see decent folks forced at gunpoint to financially support actions they find morally repugnant.
[/quote]What do you believe when I say this same exact statement but apply it to war?

[quote=“qixlqatl, post:56, topic:33813”]
Here’s a thought: if birth control is a medicine, shouldn’t food be considered a medicine (definitely a medical necessity!) and covered by insurance, too?
[/quote]Birth control treats different medical conditions like dysmenorrhea, polycystic ovarian syndrome, acne, irregular menses etc. So it is a medicine.

Birth control treats different medical conditions like dysmenorrhea, polycystic ovarian syndrome, acne, irregular menses etc. So it is a medicine.

War is a decision that the government makes. The birth control thing is a decision that individuals make.

Birth control treats different medical conditions like dysmenorrhea, polycystic ovarian syndrome, acne, irregular menses etc. So it is a medicine.

Regardless, it still isn’t expensive.