Former Marine Indefinitely Detained In Psychiatric Ward Over 9/11 Facebook Posts


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Former marine Brandon Raub was carted off by the Feds and locked in a psychiatric ward for his Facebook posts questioning the government’s version of 9/11.

Raub isn’t the first person who has suffered this fate. Claire Swinney was also held in a psychiatric ward and called “delusional” for claiming government liability for 9/11. Others have been committed for the same reason over the last decade.
Surely the Feds are right … that kind of talk is crazy, right?

And the following mental health professionals say that questioning the government’s cut-and-dried version of 9/11 is the sane thing to do:
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[]Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Lester Grinspoon, MD
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]Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
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[]Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Rutgers University Barry R. Komisaruk
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]Distinguished Professor in the Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, Professor of Medicine in the Department of Internal Medicine and Distinguished Professor of Global Health in the College of Public Health, University of South Florida, Michael D. Knox
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[]Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Laura Schafer
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]Professor of Psychology, Rutgers University Alan Gilchrist
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[]Professor Emeritus, Psychology and Neuroscience, Beckman Institute, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Gabriel
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]Former Chief Mental Health Coordinator and Director of Manpower Development and Training, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health, and Lecturer in Psychology, Boston University Herbert Hoffman
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[]Professor of Psychology, University of Chicago and Northwestern University Jack Sawyer
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]Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
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[]Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
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]Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
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[]Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
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]Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
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[]Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
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]Professor Emeritus, Psychology, University of Marburg Gert Sommer
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[]Professor of Psychology, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Ralph Hood
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]Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Jefferson Medical College. Former Major, U.S. Army Medical Corps, Vietnam Veteran 7 years service, Jon Bjornson, MD
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[]Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser
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]Trauma specialist Danielle Duperret, Ph.D.
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[]Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
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]Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
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[]Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
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]PhD in clinical psychology from Texas Tech Michael Green
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[]PhD in educational psychology Brent Igo
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]PhD psychologist Paul Johansson
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[]PhD psychologist Gail Maudal
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[]Ph.D Psychologist Dorothy Lorig
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]Psychologist Robert Griffin
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Why Are Some Psychologists So Dogmatic?


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You can’t lock someone up for believing in conspiracy theories.

Update on the article indicates it wasn’t the Feds. Until more info comes out, I think it’s more likely that he had suicidal thoughts or a bad mental state in some other way, and that his family may have had something to do with it. That’s just speculation though, and it’s certainly more likely than a 9/11 conspiracy.


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Sounds to me like he has a screw or two loose and that 9/11 is only part of the evidence. He’s under 30 day evaluation at the order of a judge after being interviewed by mental health professionals. Detained Marine veteran moved to Salem VA hospital | Richmond Times-Dispatch

"An Aug. 13 post said, “Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads.” Raub also accused the government of perpetrating a “great amount of evil.” “The day of reckoning is almost at hand,” an Aug. 5 post on his Facebook page said. His attorney said many of the things he wrote on his page were song lyrics.

Chesterfield police said in a statement Monday that county mental health crisis intervention workers had recommended that police take Raub into emergency custody so that he could be evaluated.

A county mental health official determined Raub should be held under a temporary detention order, and he was transported to the Hopewell center.

Thomas said her son is sane and does not pose a threat, suggesting that First Amendment rights had been violated. She added that her son, who served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, does not own a gun.

Whitehead said he plans to file an appeal in Hopewell Circuit Court of Stokes’ decision to commit Raub for up to 30 days. The veteran’s move to a Salem hospital will complicate the appeal, Whitehead said."


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Prison Planet.com » Kidnapped Marine vet Brandon Raub speaks out from psych ward


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Key words…“speaks-out-from-psych-ward” where he has been placed AFTER evaluation and with the consent of a judge for 30 days. I notice that his facebook picture of him toting a rifle has been removed now. And he claims to own no guns. Perhaps he has access to them anyway as the picture SHOWED.


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Oh, yes, the song lyrics he quoted. Should we lock up anyone for quoting or posting violent song lyrics? How about those who post heavy metal or rap lyrics? Better yet, how about the artists who write these lyrics?

Anyway, it looks like a judge ordered his release.
Prison Planet.com » Judge Orders Release of Detained Marine Veteran


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WTVR
Thursday, August 23rd, 2012

HOPEWELL, Va. (WTVR) – A Hopewell circuit court judge has ordered that a Marine veteran detained over anti-government Facebook posts be released from a psychiatric hospital.

CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the judge dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties.

As a result, the judge ruled law enforcement has no grounds to hold Raub.

Beck said the judge is in the process of writing an order for Raub’s release. He is expected to be released from a the hospital in Salem, Virginia Thursday afternoon.

Full story here.


#8

Well that is good. If the government can just declare one insane for speech that is just as bad as not allowing it.


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I hope he sues and wins a lot of money.


#10

This was a LEGAL technicality…not a judgement on whether he needed help.

"Raub’s release follows a procedural error, the failure of a special justice to check off on a petition for involuntary admission to a hospital the elemental findings about Raub’s mental condition. Sharrett likened the faulty order to an arrest warrant that lists no specific illegality.

The order was signed Monday by Special Justice W. Douglas Stokes, **but the boxes on a form designating the nature of Raub’s condition were not marked. **Court files, however, show that Raub had undergone mental-health assessments shortly after being taken into custody Aug. 16 and was found to be mentally ill and a danger to others."


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It was a legal technicality, BUT It was never revealed why the young man was arrested in the first place except that he wrote an anti-Obama rant on facebook, the arrest in itself is illegal in that he had the right to write on facebook whatever he wanted via the first amendment freedom. HOWEVER in this day in age , with the nuts wreaking carnage around the country, and some noting their intentions on facebook or their tweets, what is the local police authority to do? If they don’t follow up and the accused follows through with his/her rants, the authorities are condemned. if they do follow through with the information and the ranter does nothing they are condemned. The law authorities are really in a bind with facebook confessions and Tweeters a new phenomon.


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No NJC…it was not just anti Obama rants. The picture of him with his rifle and some threatening violent comments caused the cops to take a look at him. Mental health workers then evaluated him and told a judge under oath that he should be further evaluated for being a danger to himself or others. The judge agreed and sent him away for 30 days of evaluation. Then on the transfer he didn’t check the boxes.
You are correct though…they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t check it out. Ultimately it rests with the mental health workers to make a judgement and unfortunately that is not an exact science but it is all we have. I’m not saying this guy is nuts…but based on his postings…I do think it was prudent to have him checked out.


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Gotcha, I had not heard that.


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Prison Planet.com » Psychiatrist Threatened to ‘Brainwash’ Kidnapped Marine with Meds


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“The order was signed Monday by Special Justice W. Douglas Stokes, but the boxes on a form designating the nature of Raub’s condition were not marked. Court files, however, show that Raub had undergone mental-health assessments shortly after being taken into custody Aug. 16 and was found to be mentally ill and a danger to others.”

Yah…just a normal guy minding his own business and excercising his free speech. He apparently is claiming no ownership of a gun yet his faceboor page had him with a rifle on it before the lawyers got the case.


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Thall shalt not owneth a gun.

Guns are very bad for you so you shall not own them (unless you work for the national weather service).


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I own several…brandishing one on FB while making threatening posts is a good reason to look at someone more closely. A look was taken and it was determined he was a threat to others and deserved to be more thoroughly evaluated & treated. You’d prefer the authorities ignore such stuff…then get sued when violence takes place and they’ve not acted.
The 20 people a month in Chesterfield that are detained this way…240 on an annual basis in a population of 319,000 represent .0007% of the population. You know…the fringe. The same as Alex Jones who does his best to make it seem like an episode of Government Gone Wild. Laughable.


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These threads (now one thread) being installments of the same story, I’ve merged them to make the continuity clear and prevent the confusion of discussion being spread across multiple threads. My request is that articles about further developments in this story be posted here, also.


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Only shalt thou suffer also the Social Security Administration to haveth the means to also to do harm with a gun, neither shalt thou deny the Boyscout Explorers the training to kill Veterans.