FoxNews punishes Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney for daring to tell the truth


#92

They forced him to lie about where his injuries came from, you can’t walk past that.
That is lying. There’s nothing else to call it.


#93

So, now you are agreeing torture worked and it forced McCain to produce a propaganda recording, which is what the Viet Cong wanted.

It’s about time you came clean.

So, why did FoxNews ban Lt. Gen Thomas McInerney for daring to tell the truth?

Seems that FoxNews has caved into our politically correct crowd.

JWK


#94

Propaganda isn’t relevant to whether torture produces intel.

When we said “torture works” back in 2006, we were talking about intel. FACT.

You know I’m right John, you can’t hide it. You need to get a relevant example, or you’re making a bad argument that critics will pick apart, and it will be your own damn fault.


#95

We’ve both GIVEN you “relevant examples” but you ignore them and keep reverting to your claim that torture DOESN’T work because in McCain’s case it produced propaganda (which is what the NVA was after in the first place) and we have only anecdotal evidence today that he ALSO gave them actionable intel. WE got actionable intel from those few people that we “tortured” post-9/11 so it worked in THOSE cases as well.


#96

John has not, you haven’t posted anything. You alude to proof, but you haven’t posted it.

And note, Dave, for the last time, I’m not here to make a case for or against Intense interrogation.

I’m saying, if you’re going to argue for it, make an argument that’s worth reading. Not pure crap you pretend is good enough, because again, your critics are going to notice how flawed your “example” is, they’re going to tear your argument apart, and you’ll only have yourself to blame.

If it’s worth advocating for, then give it the evidence it deserves.


#97

Don’t flatter yourself. You haven’t “torn ANYONE’S argument apart.” The original claim is that “torture” WORKS…and we’ve shown you that it DOES. It worked on McCain and it worked on Kalid and others post 9/11.


#98

If the program or torture doesn’t produce Intel, then guess what Dave? It’s a failure.
And no appeal to “propaganda videos” is going to change the matter. You know this.

The measure of success is intel, so give an example for intel. For what were actually looking for.


#99

We waterboarded Kalid and got the location of bin Laden’s driver/bodyguard which eventually led us to where bin Laden was eventually found and taken out. That’s a FACT.


#100

Thank you, at least you’re trying now.

But this isn’t right; we tracked Bin Laden through his Courier (al-Kuwaiti), who we learned of from a man named Hassan Ghul; who offered the name before we tortured him.

How we learned al-Kuwaiti’s real name has never been publicized, but it’s implied to be something the Pakastanis in one way or another passed along to us.


#101

:roll_eyes:


#102

:roll_eyes:


#103

If this and if that … :roll_eyes:


#104

Bla, bla, and bla.

The question is: Did McCain make a propaganda recording for the Viet Cong after being tortured?


#105

no-pity

No pity for bad arguments.

If torture doesn’t produce intel, no amount of referring to Propaganda will save the program.

You and Dave both know this. And so will the people who criticize the program.


#106

You CAN’T pretend to be this stupid, AS! If what you’re after is propaganda and you GET it through “torture,” then your “torture” is PRODUCTIVE. If what you’re after is intelligence and you GET it through “torture,” then your “torture” is PRODUCTIVE.


#107

Dave, your argument is that if you can grow apples, you can also grow oranges, because they’re both forms of “growing”.

But a farmer would know better.

People looking to sniff out a weakness in your argument, are going to realize that you’re not talking about the same thing. You need to give relevant examples, more like Khalid sheikh Mohammed, or you’re saying you don’t actually care.

Even you know that you’re not talking about the same thing, because again, if intel doesn’t result from interrogation, propaganda doesn’t matter. Intel is the measure of success, not anything else.


#108

NOT IF WHAT YOU’RE AFTER IS PROPAGANDA, AS! PLEASE wake up and smell the coffee.


#109

And we’re not. You can’t ignore that.

We are after intel, and if we don’t get intel, propaganda doesn’t matter.

If you can’t produce examples showing we get Intel, they will call torture a failure. Because intel is our measure of success. It’s the only thing that matters.


#110

Time to stop responding to blather, misdirection and obfuscations.


#111

Time you made better arguments. You can do it John, I’ve seen you do it, but you keep feeding me crap here, and pretend it’s “good enough”.

Then you get all insulted when I point out how little an effort you’re making.

So once again:

no-pity