Fox's O'Reilly calls Christianity a philosophy'


#1

Herewith Exhibit No. 3,489 in why Fox News dominates cable-news ratings. It’s a segment featuring Bill O’Reilly in a war-against-Christmas discussion with David Silverman, president of American Atheists. A traditional narrative treatment of this clash just won’t do. Let’s go with a list:

Fox’s O’Reilly calls Christianity a philosophy’ - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post

I have to agree with the liberals here. What the heck was he talking about???

Do you believe Christianity is a philosophy or a religion?? Though I think he was talking about the tradition of celebrating christmas because some non-religious folks still get together and exchange gifts on this day…


#2

I would guess that if one follows the ten commandments and a moral code that would be a philosophy which guides your life unlike a liberal who wants absolute anarchy mixed in with total control of ideas they dislike.


#3

Some parts are religious, some parts are philosophical, some parts are both. They’re not mutually exclusive.


#4

but how many people honestly do that? O’reilly was saying that 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas. So is Christmas not a religious holiday because a few non-religious people celebrate it too? Isn’t that insulting to the true meaning of Christmas?


#5

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but how many people honestly do that? O’reilly was saying that 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas. So is Christmas not a religious holiday because a few non-religious people celebrate it too? Isn’t that insulting to the true meaning of Christmas?
[/quote]Christmas is a day of celebration and the gathering of people. If you look back there was St. Nick who gave gifts and later it became commericalized. Does than diminsh the intent? To some it may while to others it still means a gathering of people to bring people together. If you do not wish to do so, there is no one saying you can not.

Saint Nicholas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


#6

One could say that St. Nick actually does diminish the true meaning of Christmas because giving of gifts is not what Christmas is supposed to be about, which started the commercialization of Christmas in the first place. However, many ancient cultures also celebrate December 25, or a date around that day. Some say Christians stole that date from other cultures. In the case of most American Christians, I do think Christmas holds a rather significant religious aspect to it. Not a mere gathering like Thanksgiving.


#7

Christianity is, and always has been, whatever you want it to be.


#8

It does, and for the religious and Christians, Christmas is a religious holiday. That doesn’t mean that it must be one for everyone, since as we have seen, December 25th neither started as a religious holiday, and today it has become a commercialized festival of presents and food. To the Christians, it is a religious holiday, but to other people, it isn’t. There’s nothing inherent about December 25th that makes it religious.


#9

So what? It’s our holiday. I don’t see Christians asking Jews to celebrate Hanukkah, I don’t see Indians asking to celebrate Thanksgiving. Do you see my point? You can celebrate Christmas anyway you like. But originally it is meant to be a religious holiday! There is currently nothing stopping these people from celebrating Christmas.

It is a fact that Christmas is a religious holiday. It’s in the damn word for crying out loud! Yet, lefty loony atheists want to make the sacred religious holiday something about getting together with your family, promoting capitalism and sharing gifts. Lolz. Then, they go on liberal talk shows and complain about how evil black friday is. When most people shop black friday, for the Christmas gifts which the atheists are trying to make all inclusive.

The Christmas story started, I think due to the manger story, where the three wise men brought Jesus gifts when he was born. So even if gifts are essential to the philosophical non-religious aspect of Christmas, just buying gifts for people on this day is as meaningless as buying gifts for people any other day. If you don’t understand the religion behind it, why buy gifts on this day? Why not just give gifts the day after black friday?

I’m also not saying that buying gifts for people on a random day is meaningless, just Christians do it on this day for a reason! Not just to be nice to one another…


#10

But I guess I see O’Reilly’s point now about Christianity being a philosophy. For instance I consider myself an agnostic because I don’t believe everything in the Bible and Jesus being the son of God and all that, so I do live life accordingly to the Bible as best as I can, and I believe that modern day Christian beliefs sets an amazing moral code. So there is that philosophy there.

But to say that Christians don’t celebrate Christmas for the “religious” aspect of it, is I think very wrong and bigoted on O’Reilly’s part.


#11
  1. Why is it your holiday if people are also celebrating Santa Claus and reindeer and presents and also calling it Christmas? It seem that there are two different Christmas holidays both called Christmas in the U.S.
  2. What does “originally” mean, because December 25th at least was certainly not a Christian holiday.
  3. There weren’t three wise men.

Like it or not, but “Christmas” has evolved into a commercialized and secular holiday for some. The parts about Santa Claus and reindeer and whatever are not Christian aspects. That isn’t to say that for Christians the holiday can’t be religious, but you also have to see that for various secular people, and sometimes even religious people, Christmas is not a Christian holiday to them.


#12
  1. 99% of them are Christians and go to church on that day.
  2. It’s not meant for the celebration of commercialization. It’s originally meant for the celebration of Christ’s birthday or the winter solstice, or whatever other reason came before commercialization
  3. I consider myself a secular agnostic person, I still share both the commercialization and religious aspects of the holiday with my family, otherwise there would be no reason for me to celebrate it. I don’t consider it my holiday, I consider it their holiday, which I participate in.

#13

[quote=“jjf3rd77, post:6, topic:37307”]
One could say that St. Nick actually does diminish the true meaning of Christmas because giving of gifts is not what Christmas is supposed to be about, which started the commercialization of Christmas in the first place. However, many ancient cultures also celebrate December 25, or a date around that day. Some say Christians stole that date from other cultures. In the case of most American Christians, I do think Christmas holds a rather significant religious aspect to it. Not a mere gathering like Thanksgiving.
[/quote]December 25 was adopted by the Catholic Church to entice pagans to join their church. No specific month is given for Jesus Birth. However, the Bible says the Shepherds were in the fields with their flocks. This happened up into the Fall months. So, we know that Jesus was likely born in the Autumn. Given that He was about 6 months younger than John the Baptist, Autumn seems consistent.
We also know that Zecharias, John the Baptist’s father, was in priesthood service. When he arrived home, John was conceived. Correlating with Jewish religious history, and counting forward 9 months, it is assumed that JTB was born around Passover. April. Six months later, Jesus was born, probably in October, a time when the shepherds were still in the fields.
Gift giving was a symbol of the wise men and their involvement. They brought gifts. Heck, it ia a celebration of birth, the birth of the Savior. Why would their not be gifts. Most traditions are rooted in some aspect of the birth of Christ.
I am not sure how you do it, but both Christmas and Thanksgiving are religiously observed in the Tiny household. Thankful prayer, reading of Scripture, and a focus on the family. We eat, and open gifts, but the emphasis is on the Christ.


#14

O’Reilly is an imbecile with no capacity for critical thought, when he is right it is for all the wrong reasons and when he is wrong he has no ability to comprehend why.

Limbaugh called him “The Ted Baxter of cable”, I can think of no better summary.


#15

[quote=“jjf3rd77, post:6, topic:37307”]
One could say that St. Nick actually does diminish the true meaning of Christmas because giving of gifts is not what Christmas is supposed to be about, which started the commercialization of Christmas in the first place. However, many ancient cultures also celebrate December 25, or a date around that day. Some say Christians stole that date from other cultures. In the case of most American Christians, I do think Christmas holds a rather significant religious aspect to it. Not a mere gathering like Thanksgiving.
[/quote]It seems you have missd the whole point.

You are equating commercialism with what was done by early Christians. So be it.


#16

Christ was the greatest gift to mankind.