… lol … “again”?
Do you find that opposing points of view make you emotionally and intellectually uncomfortable?
The issue of animals being self-aware or not self-aware is certainly not a major issue on
the Really Important Matters Of Life List, and neither is a Hollywood movie like
the Godfather series.
I love the movie The Parent Trap, but I have no objections to anyone badmouthing it to
their heart’s content, if they want to do that. Because as Stella’s boyfriend told her when
she leaned over screaming and bit his shoulder while they were watching one of the horror
movies, “Relax Stella, its only a movie!”
… lol …
it seems you are saying that the Godfather is an evil movie because it includes characters who are simultaneously evil and charismatic?
Actually they are characters who are cold-bloodied murderers who made a moral decision
to become cold-bloodied murderers using murder when necessary to protect their crime
operation which as Vito explained in the first Godfather was gambling and whoring (which
means these cold-bloodied murderers were also pimps too) … therefore we have cold-blooded
murderers who were also pimps who were also charismatic lovable characters … lol …
I was just humorously pointing that out in my post 2 up there and its the absolute truth too.
Re the Godfather movies being evil:
- The Godfather movies certainly did not generally present the Catholic Church in a favorable light.
- The Godfather movies reinforced the notion that the Catholic Church and the mafia are closely associated
- The Godfather movies left room for the viewer to conclude that the Catholic Church did not take the hugeness
and immoral vileness of the Vito Corelone crime empire all that serious
- Not a single soul left the movie house saying to themselves, "Wow, that movie sure did present the Catholic Church as taking a strong
clear bold stand against sin, immorality, and organized crime.
- Rather the Godfather movies left room for one to conclude just the opposite.
- The Godfather movies did not add a single iota of build-up to the Person of the Lord Christ. Total zero.
But again, they did manage to cast the Catholic Church in far less than a favorable light.
Yet I have no strong feeling against the Godfather movies anymore than I do (say) 94% of
everything Hollywood produces. Its certainly no secret that Hollywood has contempt (and
possibly even hatred) for Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular. Hollywood rarely
misses an opportunity to paint the Catholic Church in a bad light. I don’t know if you’d call
them doing that evil or not? When they made the Godfather movies they did not present the
Catholic Church as the Catholic leaders would have preferred their church be presented.
I think we can be certain of that much. Is them doing that evil?
but that’s reality. that’s the way the world is.
/Big Grin … That’s true, but that is also true of the post I wrote … lol …
I mean its reality that people do write posts poking fun at (even strongly
Nonetheless I have no serious axe to grind with the Godfather movies
that’s why, in my post 2 up there, I said this:
"I own all 3 of the Godfathers, I’ll have to drag them out and go through them
all again and become re-acquainted with some of the most likeable cold-blooded
murderers in all of Hollywood.__Jack H.
My wife likes to watch them too.
I don’t think the movie promotes moral relativism at all.
The heros of the movie, whom we are subtly led to admire as characters having some good qualities,
are cold-bloodied murderers who will murder their own brother and close friends in order to protect
their crime organization.
They also “run whores” and are therefore pimps with large scale prostitution operations going on. They used
one of their whorehouses to "get blackmail stuff on a U.S. Senator who tried to “shake down” Kin Of Cain
(Michael who murdered Fredo his brother). We are led to believe that the Corelone’s considered the dead
whore killed by the Senator to be worthless seeing as how she was unknown with no known family or friends.
We correctly conclude that the Corelone’s took the dead female and dumped her body in the river or buried
her in an empty field somewhere … lol … these are NOT good people here, these Corelone’s.
and yes, presidents and senators do have men killed.
If so, hopefully not to protect their whore houses and illegal gambling dives and their illegal drugs operations,
which is exactly what the Corelone’s did. Sonny to his father Vito: "Lotta money in that white powder."
Vito’s lawyer, the adopted son, immediately supported Sonny’s pro-drug view and encouraged Vito to
add the selling of hard drugs to their crime organization.
the horrendous (and brilliant) scene in which Michael becomes a godfather in two (almost, not quite) opposite senses of the word–and he actually does both at the exact same time–the juxtaposition of innocence and violence is harrowing, especially for a Catholic like me. (The discordant music alone is nerve-jangling.) Clearly Michael has not renounced the works of the devil as he says he has.
Exactly! But nonetheless even though he has not renounced the works of Satan,
Michael is the lovable brother-murderer throughout the film … he murdered his
brother Fredo and his sister Connie’s husband and he did it "for the family"
to protect them all “from the horrors of this world” … lol …
And yet one does have some–I say some sympathy for him.
Exhibit A ↑
… lol …
See what I mean?
Francis Ford Coppola was successful. He wanted you to feel sympathy for Kin Of Cain because Coppola
presented your mind with “good reasons enough” to like this lovable cold-blooded murderer and to
gradually come to understand him and his motives.
he never wanted to assume a role in the “family business”, let alone run it.
That does not mean he had to murder his brother and his sister’s husband. He could have found a
non-murderous solution. Michael Corelone is not a good man.
He was sucked into it when his father, whom he loved, was shot and Michael was the only one that could step up to the plate.
Same reply. That does not mean he had to murder his brother and his sister’s husband. He could have found a
His father Vito in turn had been almost foreordained to become what he had become, by the brutal shooting in Sicily of his mother, father and brother. (emphasis by Jack)
Vito Corelone made an immoral decision to become a murderer and went on to establish
a huge crime organization. As a young boy he fled to America but later made the decision
to return to Sicily and gut the old man like a fish. I mean he did not have to do that.
It was pure revenge and had nothing to do with protecting himself or his family now safe in
In this world, things like that really do work themselves out for better or worse over generations. We are shaped by our backgrounds and nourished by our roots, and we cannot totally escape that.
… lol … Francis Ford Coppola and probably all of liberal Hollywood would like
for you (and everybody else) to believe that, but that’s not true, no human
being ever has to choose to become a murderer and the father of a crime
btw I share your admiration for Talia Shire. in the films, she goes from an innocent airhead, to a wronged (albeit spoiled) young wife, to a jaded roué, to finally a person who embraces responsibility and compassion. and yet she’s always Connie. great character development.
Yeah I loved her in the Rocky films.
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