How is it possible in America for Socialism to be gaining so much traction?


#1

America is the last bastion of hope for liberty and economic freedom, and yet, we see self identified Socialists such as Bernie Sanders with a shot at being president. We see a man like Donald Trump with eminent domain and expressing he will get rid of free trade agreements that exist and reject another (TPP) unsigned. Clinton as well suggests she won’t go forward with the TPP and will expand Obamacare and restrict further gun rights. Every single serious candidate supports big government and, most support socialist programs and hand outs of one kind or another.

Please give me hope here guys. Is this not a problem across America because of the strong state powers that are given? So for example, a foreigner could say “I’m not a communist, so I will go live in this state ______” rather than another that say, wants to regulate how much soda you can drink for example…(a slight shot at a potential presidential candidate who has threatened to run as an indepedent). Surely the federal government can impose it’s will and ideology across the country without issue, or can they?

As someone who has lived in a socialist country my entire life, I can assure you that nothing is free. Some of the costs that one bears goes straight to the soul of a nation and would be easily described as “anti-democratic”, even “anti-American”. I certainly support education and healthcare initiatives, but the concept of “free” is not the manner in which to go. Warren Buffet himself has famously stated the biggest reason he avoids paying taxes is that he doesn’t want to send his funds to an institution that will mismanage the money, everyone and their brother knows that inherently when someone else is spending money with no personal investment and risk, that they will not manage it as efficiently as those who fund their own initiatives, it is the backbone of Capitalism, risk/reward.

What gives?


#2

How is it possible in America for Socialism to be gaining so much traction?? Its the result of several decades of extremist college professors shoving anti-capitalist and anti-American propaganda down the throats of young minds full of mush. Its also the result of the entitlement mentality taking root after several generations. Most Sanders followers are college pukes.


#3

We have both the democrats and the republican leadership pushing this country into socialism and eventually communism.


#4

Your question contains an implicit premise that’s fundamentally incorrect. The United States has never been about economic freedom. One of the main justifications for the current constitution against the Articles of Confederation was that the latter didn’t allow for enough protectionism. The constitution was, in its own time, a massive and unprecedented expansion of centralized government power. The “free market” rhetoric of the late 19th and early 20th century was a total joke; left-libertarian philosophers and historians have exhaustively detailed how the “gilded age” was actually one of massive and even unprecedented state intervention in the markets on behalf of the rich.

“Socialism” is gaining traction because cynical big government conservatives have tarnished the idea of a free market by associating it with state intervention on behalf of the rich, and at the expense of the poor and working classes. It’s not difficult to understand why people would look at “socialism” and say, “if this is the opposite of ‘free markets’ then maybe it’s not so bad,” because what Republicans call “free markets” is pretty thoroughly vile.


#5

I believe that the ‘establishment’ elitists on both sides have injected their socialistic agenda/philosophy so much into our everyday lives that they have convinced the masses as social issues unfold; that ‘their’ way is politically correct. It has taken decades to brainwash our society into believing that socialism is better than our Republic and it’s Constitution. Trump who is nothing more than a reformed (?) liberal/Democrat will continue us in that direction. Obama’s hope and change was nothing!


#6

Not all of the Republican opinions of the economy are vile as you suggest. This is why I am thoroughly dismayed by Rand Paul’s poor showing, he had the best understanding of the economic challenges facing the U.S. None of these finalists makes sense to me outside of Rubio. I don’t care if some of you refer to him as an Establishment pick or not, he seemed to be the most level headed.


#7

The Short Answer: Because many Americans have discovered they can vote themselves goods and services paid for by others who are forced to pay by way of a political class willing to “buy votes” and utilize government coercion in order to secure power.


#8

There is nothing “free trade” in the so-called “Free Trade Agreements.” The U.S. is getting screwed by NAFTA, and will be by any TPP. They’ll get all the benefits, and we’ll get the proverbial shaft.

As for Rand Paul, aside from being on the quirky side, is bought and paid for by none other than Mitch McConnell, so I’ve no idea why anyone would find him to the next best thing since sliced bread.

As for how the U.S. found its way towards socialism, see MikeMD’s post #7.
It’s nothing more, and nothing less, than that. And it’s what the goal of “The Dummying Down of America” was always intended to achieve.
Our last, best hope is
THE FAT LADY HASN’T SUNG YET!!!


#9

Maybe because the richest 62 people have as much wealth as half the world’s population? But that’s a global thing. In America, it’s more complicated.

But does anyone think Wall Street doesn’t run this country? We don’t have a free market in this country- we have a crony capitalist system that comes to the rescue of the big banks whenever their stupid schemes land them in hot water. Savings and Loan Crisis during Reagan/Bush, Bank Bailouts during Bush and Obama.

You guys want a true free market where failure means failure, not government rescue. If Wall Street knew there was no safety net, they might think twice about some of the ridiculous stuff they do. My side wants to attack the problem through wealth distribution. The establishment on both sides wants to preserve the status quo. But you can only push people so far, and the establishment is going to take a hard fall.


#10

What other national government in the world in place at the time the Constitution was ratified had less centralized government power than the government created by our ratified Constitution?

Our Constitution was unprecedented for it’s declarations establishing the Rights of the citizens and specifically limiting the power of the federal government. While it did establish a power increase over the Articles of Confederation it also established far greater protections for the Rights of citizens than the Articles of Confederation; and the previous authority from Britain was the equivalent of universal slavery over the Colonists.


#11

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America is the last bastion of hope for liberty and economic freedom, I DONT THINK SO and yet, we see self identified Socialists such as Bernie Sanders with a shot at being president I THINK YOU ARE OVER REACTING TO HIS LEFT LEANINGS We see a man like Donald Trump with eminent domain and expressing he will get rid of free trade agreements that exist and reject another (TPP) unsigned. Clinton as well suggests she won’t go forward with the TPP and will expand Obamacare and restrict further gun rights. Every single serious candidate supports big government and, most support socialist programs and hand outs of one kind or another.

Please give me hope here guys. Is this not a problem across America because of the strong state powers that are given? So for example, a foreigner could say “I’m not a communist, so I will go live in this state ______” rather than another that say, wants to regulate how much soda you can drink for example…(a slight shot at a potential presidential candidate who has threatened to run as an indepedent). Surely the federal government can impose it’s will and ideology across the country without issue, or can they?

As someone who has lived in a socialist country my entire life,CANADA??? YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING. IT IS NO MORE SOCIALIST THAN THE US. I can assure you that nothing is free. Some of the costs that one bears goes straight to the soul of a nation and would be easily described as “anti-democratic”, even “anti-American”. I certainly support education and healthcare initiatives, but the concept of “free” is not the manner in which to go. Warren Buffet himself has famously stated the biggest reason he avoids paying taxes is that he doesn’t want to send his funds to an institution that will mismanage the money, everyone and their brother knows that inherently when someone else is spending money with no personal investment and risk, that they will not manage it as efficiently as those who fund their own initiatives, it is the backbone of Capitalism, risk/reward. WITH YOUR HAND ON YOUR HEART, MY TEARS ARE NOW BLOOD. THERE IS OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, DID YOU KNOW?

What gives?
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#12

Not planning on a long stay I guess.


#13

I have to admit that was a typo.


#14

I think the reason is actually very simple. People don’t like the current way government functions and want “something different”. Honestly, %90+ of people don’t care about free markets, government regulation, tariffs, interest rates, inflation rates, or anything else that requires thinking.

They don’t like taxes, because they can see dollars loped off their paycheck every month. They DO like Medicaid and Social Security because it pays for medical expenses and gives them money.
They like having a huge military because it makes them feel safe.
They like having public education for all children.

They have no idea how to pay for these things. They don’t like to pay for things, but they want them. And when you tell them it’s an either or scenario, it just makes them angry. It’s too complicated to figure out without effort, and they want someone to perform magic.

Because they don’t understand how much anything costs or how anything is paid for, when someone(Sanders in this case), says “I’ll pull a cute little bunny out of my magical hat and everything will be awesome!” - many people are overjoyed, because they get all the expensive stuff they want, without having to pay for it. They have no idea if his plans add up or not. But it sounds good.


#15

Kinda like the Germans during the Weimar Republic. Smart move.

They got socialism too.

Yes, the reason IS very simple: Sanders’ supporters are idiots. Simple.