How Republicans Rigged The Election


#1

To be honest, I am a little fed up with the Trumpsters on this site pointing the finger of blame away from themselves to explain what is probably going to be a monumental fail by the nominee of their choice, Donald Trump.

For the Trumpsters, people with which I share most policy positions but for whom I have little patience or sympathy, I have a question.

But first, I have an observation - it is this: If I were to have asked people on this site for a show of hands regarding which Party, Republican or Democrat, they thought had the most compelling, demonstrably factual election message I am quite certain there would have been unanimity, or very close to it, in favor of the policy positions/issues espoused by the Right.

So, now the question I have for those who supported Trump’s nomination - the aforementioned Trumpsters: If the Right had the issues/policy positions and a compelling set of facts on the ground in support of those issues/policy positions (which it did), why in the hell did you insist on nominating a man who from the outset was so obviously flawed that it was apparent he couldn’t and/or wouldn’t stay on message?? A “rigged election”? Yes, and you helped rig it.

If Trump loses, at it appears he will, I suggest you Trumpsters take a good, long look in the mirror - one of the people most responsible for the Hillary Clinton victory will be looking back at you.


#2

To be fair, while Trump received a historic amount of primary votes, he only received 44% of the Republican primary vote.

I’m not a Trump fan only an anti-Hillary voter. :wave:


#3

The main thing that is rigged in this election is the main stream news media coverage. They can’t even make their claims of impartiality look possible. Their credibility should be toast, but like Harry Reid they don’t seem to care.

Yes voter fraud is real, one sided media coverage is much more obvious and easier to prove.


#4

I KNOW that in order to make my vote count the I MUST vote and it has come down to:

  1. The only GOP horse in the race

Vs

  1. A person who I find so repugnant in ALL facets of her life that I can only vote against her, she is alien to the very fabric and foundation of America, she would be imprisoned in even a communist country…

Thus I must cast my ballot for Trumpy


#5

I would love to see the answers to your question. I hate living in the liberal state of Washington, but at least at this point since our electorial votes will be going to Hillary, I don’t have to vote for Donald. I am writing in Paul Ryans name. A respectable human being. I am so angry at the people that could not see through the Donald. The media also pumped him up, knowing they could bring him down. Actually, he did most of that by himself. The democrats may even take over the senate because these people are so angry at the ‘establishment’ for not supporting this despicable human. Great! Put the democrats in total control.


#6

Well, Mike, I’m not a Paul Ryan fan either. I used to be one when he ran with Mitt Romney, but now he’s a sell out who gave Obama his budget last year and jumps as soon as the main stream media reports a story from more than a decade ago.

Trump? Yes, I know he’s got flaws, and he was never my choice in the primaries. But now that the choices are between him and the most crooked and corrupt major party presidential candidate in history, the choice is clear. Voting for Trump is saying “NO!” to Hillary, and that is the only option if you live in a swing state as I do and want to keep her and her crooked family out of office.

I just hope that you vote for the Republicans further down the ballot. Since you live in Washington, they probably can’t win, but once more it’s a way of saying, “NO!”


#7

I absolutely vote Republican down the line. We have an excellent person running for mayor and its sad that he does not have a chance. Off the subject but this is how bad this state is. The Seattle school district had their teachers and students wear black lives matter shirts the other day. If I had a child in that district, I would have kept them home.


#8

> The Seattle school district had their teachers and students wear black lives matter shirts the other day. If I had a child in that district, I would have kept them home.

What is wrong with these people? Black Lives Matter has called for the murder of police officers, and they have the nerve to chant that filth as they march in rallies. How can you teach children to support something like that?

The so-called progressives have really lost their way. Honest decent people can’t even send their kids to school without having them not just indoctrinated with socialist propaganda, but taught to admire a racist group that calls for violence. In the 1960s that would have been like having a Black Panthers day at school.

At least the Panthers fed intercity children breakfast. Black Lives Matter does nothing but spread hate, violence and racism.

Who paid for the Black Lives Matter shirts? I hope it didn’t come from tax payer funds.


#9

I *think *most of the Trumpets here at RO are reluctant, anti-Clinton voters; so it’s not a question *they *can answer. Although we do have a few actual Trump fans.


#10

Actually, if Hillary wins, it will prove our RINO crowd has been successful in completely destroying the republican party.

JWK*******

**A vote for Hillary Clinton will guarantee four more years of Obama and the completion of his fundamental transformation of America into an arbitrary form of government in which the president exercises legislative, executive and judicial powers ___ a system of government which Madison confirmed is the very definition of tyranny (see Federalist N0. 47) **



#11

That’s the first area you’re wrong about. The election is never about facts. The election is about identity, character, and emotion. Facts are simply what people point to, after they’ve already had their gut reaction and staked out their position.

> So, now the question I have for those who supported Trump’s nomination - the aforementioned Trumpsters: If the Right had the issues/policy positions and a compelling set of facts on the ground in support of those issues/policy positions (which it did), why in the hell did you insist on nominating a man who from the outset was so obviously flawed that it was apparent he couldn’t and/or wouldn’t stay on message?? A “rigged election”? Yes, and you helped rig it.
Because staying on message isn’t how to win. Romney stayed on message and lost. McCain stayed on message and lost. John Kerry stayed on message and lost. Al Gore stayed on message and lost. Bob Dole stayed on message and lost.
Now it is true that Obama was also good at staying on message and he won. But Bush was not good at staying on message, and he won twice.
Staying on message or not staying on message has nothing to do with winning.

It is true that Trump has suffered for his lack of focus and pettiness. Things like the Khan and Miss Universe feud were not things I expected back in the primary, because I assumed Trump had some sense of peers. He seems to have no sense of his standing and will just fight anyone, no matter how obscure. It’s like a homeless guy taunting you from your box office, and you go roll up your sleeves and exit for a beat-down. Why? Now that one, I really didn’t expect.
I always knew Trump was petty, but it really was worse than I expected. And he literally can’t control himself. I originally thought he fought every Republican nominee as a strategy. Just keep relentlessly throwing punches until they collapse. Nope, he apparently just does that with everyone. Have a toddler can him a poohead and he’d probably punch him in the nose. He has a serious problem that I will admit, I didn’t expect. And that is one of the reasons he’s losing.

> If Trump loses, at it appears he will, I suggest you Trumpsters take a good, long look in the mirror - one of the people most responsible for the Hillary Clinton victory will be looking back at you.
He was still my favorite choice by a mile and I don’t even remotely regret my support. With Trump, we had a real chance for change. Everyone else was more of the same. I always knew Trump was the underdog. I think it was a worthwhile gamble. I would absolutely do it again.


#12

MSM bias - the most compelling reason of all to have voted to nominate someone other than Trump - someone with a depth of knowledge on the issues, someone who could clearly communicate policy positions/issues, pound Clinton on her record and disciplined enough to not get sidetracked down every rabbit hole placed in front of him - someone who could stay on message.

That is not a description of Trump.

Wolf - you are correct, many people vote on factors other than policy/issues - many vote on emotion. I can think of relatively few areas within the fabric of his campaign in which Trump elicits a positive visceral image for large segments of the population. Trump has been very obviously “radioactive” from the earliest days of the primaries. His shtick played well and was supported by the MS media as long as he was sophomorically sticking it to other, far more serious Republican contenders for the nomination and more serious threats to Hillary Clinton.

Trump simply can’t get out of his own way long enough to sway the opinion of the voters he must have to win. Hell, less than 75% of registered Republicans claim support for him.

There is no chance that I will do anything other than cast a ballot for Trump, but it will be less a vote FOR Trump than a vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton. I just hope Trump’s miserable campaign doesn’t hand the Senate to the Democrats - if he does, Clinton will appoint every radical progressive she can find to the federal bench.


#13

I have never seen so many surrender monkeys gathered and mourning a loss in one place as I do here!

YOU whiners and moaners are exactly who the Elitists are depending on to spread the “We’re Defeated” message to everyone!

Even those of you who say you are voting for Trump only because you don’t want Hillary to win are something to behold!

Trump has been battling the media, the democrats, the rinos, the whiners and moaners throughout this campaign!

Do you quit, throw up your hands in defeat anytime you feel that you can’t win?

Do you turn off the tv when your favorite team is behind?

These my friends … are the very real signs displayed by perpetual losers!

Get out of the mom jeans, put on the big boy pants.
Dry your tears and GO ROOT FOR THE TEAM that fourteen million Americans selected to represent them!


#14

SO THERE!


#15

You’re only thinking of this election. I’m thinking of the next 4 down the road. With Trump we lose all of them, and we will have no Republican Congress to buffer the loss.

Trump is a liability. If we expend our political capital on him, we lose everything. We are not defensible with him as our mouthpiece.

> Trump has been battling the media, the democrats, the rinos, the whiners and moaners throughout this campaign!

Yet apparently he’s ready to play nice with Clinton:

"*As the three were preparing to enter the dinner, Dolan asked the two to pray with him while they waited to be announced, he told NBC’s Lester Holt on the “Today Show.” Afterward, Dolan said Trump “turned to Clinton and said, ‘You know, you are one tough and talented woman,’” and Dolan said Trump added, “This has been a good experience – this whole campaign – as tough as it’s been.”

Whatever happens, we need to work together afterwards,” Clinton responded, according to Dolan. The two at least shook hands after the dinner, which they have not always been inclined to do after their debates.

Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton to show their funny sides at annual dinner

Dolan said he was “very moved by the obvious attempt on behalf of both Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump to kind of be courteous, to get along, to say nice things privately to one another.*”

> Do you turn off the tv when your favorite team is behind?

That’s a joke; Republican is my team by default. “Favorite” is not applicable. I don’t love them, I tolerate them.


#16

Never Fails.

My point is always supported by the next reply.

Geeze!:angry:


#17

why in the hell did you insist on nominating a man who from the outset was so obviously flawed that it was apparent he couldn’t and/or wouldn’t stay on message??.
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That’s an exceptionally good question. The simple answer is that he blew the competition away. His message was basically the same message that Obama had when he was elected & that was “I’m not part of the political system & it’s time to get away from that system” (hope & change). That message while not exact in detail is exactly what a lot of Americans want. Something different than business as usual (which is painfully obvious in the stuff that has come to light about Hillary. That stuff was exactly like what a lot of people thought was going on & as it turned out, it was).
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But why Trump? I’ll pick a couple of other people for comparison. Bush? Well forget political stances because they don’t matter. What matters is that I got sleepy just looking at Bush on stage. He was not the man to get people excited to vote for him. Carson was much the same way. Well how about a couple of those others that were better at public speaking & further to the right? They weren’t bad but they are easily portrayed at religious nuts by the media & we all know that the media would indeed portray them that way. But even so they “could” have been the candidate that was picked so why not? Honestly it was stage presence, Trump had it in spades. (B. Clinton, Reagan, & yes even Obama also had it). On a wide angle shot of the stage eyes just naturally focused on Trump. And here you have to be honest. The goal is NOT to pick the best man for the job, the goal is to pick the person with the best chance of winning. I think that’s why Trump was picked & honestly I tend to agree that he had the best chance of becoming president. Notice that I didn’t say that he was my first or even second choice or even that I liked him. I just thought that he had (& still has) the best chance of winning.


#18

Simply stated - I’m not going to defend Trump’s miserable performance as a candidate. Nor am I going to defend those who decided to vote to nominate him even though his many shortcomings were incredibly obvious from the very beginning.

It is simple - My angst with Trump concerns his near endless stream of campaign derailing comments during his utterly tone-deaf campaign and the highly probable consequences of his campaign against the most target rich candidate I have ever seen in Hillary Clinton.

IF this election turns out the way it now appears is most probable, Trump’s campaign will have accomplished one thing and one thing only - it will have provided future nominees a case study in how to play into the hands of your opponent and piss away a presidential election.

IMHO


#19

Not really. Trump is a fighter. There isn’t one single person in Washington who has the balls to do most of things Trump has done and weather them.

All the media has to do is say “But sir, this statement is quite colorful, wouldn’t you agree?” to which they’ll then get down on their knees, cry, beg for forgiveness, and then curl up in the fetal position and start sucking their thumb and rocking back and forth.
The only way to get them back on their feet is to mention a wealthy donor is in the other room and pleased by their display of humility and openness to be controlled.

Wait until 2020. We’ll get another one of those candidates, and you can be very proud of how well they lose with a gentleman’s humility.


#20

I look back on the presidential candidates who really got trounced in their respective elections, Barry Goldwater and George McGovern. Both them made dumb statements during their campaigns. Goldwater went to Tennessee where the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) was giving those people cheap electricity and told them he was going to shut it down. Goldwater talked about using tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield and suggested lowering the launch approval for them down from the president to commanders in the field. THAT I find scary.

McGovern said he backed his first vice presidential nominee, Thomas Eagleton, “1000%” and then dumped him. He also proposed to pay every person in the U.S. $1,000 which would be taken back in taxes from those who earned $12,000 or more. (Monetary incomes were a lot lower in 1972).

Compare those to the number misstatements Trump as made and it’s breathtaking. Trump’s blunders would fill a book. There have been so many of them that you can’t keep count or remember them all.

That’s why so many of us are so disappointed with his performance. And to top it off, he wasn’t running against an “unbeatable candidate” the way Goldwater and McGovern did. He is running against a crook, whom no one in their right mind could ever admire.

The whole thing is just an American tragedy.