How should an ideal America look like?


#62

Until he started getting too liberal . . . I liked a lot of his stuff, but his later stuff got pretty liberal.


#63

On social issues he did; he was still conservative in other areas.


#64

Again, there’s not much point on focusing on conflict and disagreement. I’d rather team up and help out where we agree, than sit here and worry about the differences. I like civilly discussing differences, but I can’t have a discussion with Trump.

Further, I doubt there’s more than 85% agreement between 2017 CWolf and 2005 CWolf.

I used to think some things that have been proven to be dead wrong. I thought democracy would be a good idea in Islamic countries. Now I realize that democracy needs a degree of wealth and culture that values achievement. Islamic countries tend to have neither.

I’ve taken a sharp turn Right on immigration. I grew up mostly with exposure to legal immigrants from Asia, South America and Africa. Somehow, I was just never around Mexicans, despite living in both California and Arizona. I’ve come to see that Trump is not wrong and the people piling over the border really are not their best. You can’t equate the people coming through the official immigration process with those who don’t. They really are two totally different types of people in general. I was making an incorrect equivocation.

Plenty of other things, but that’s enough. I wouldn’t expect to agree 100% with anyone - especially over time. It’s actually unusual to agree with Trump on so much, because of my ideological split. I’d be happy with a president who agree with me 50% of time to be honest.


#65

O.K. - I really don’t understand what you are trying to tell me. What is your point? That you have to serve at the army to be able to value your country - or that more people should become land-owners?


Why is your fist reaction to assume that we will differ in opinion, when I just asked you what your opinions are? You don’t know much about my perspectives – couldn’t it turn out that we agree?

Yes, this might be true.

I have a right position on immigration too. I would add: Even if a culture had a degree of wealth and would value achievement, I would not support unlimited immigration (or immigration in general) especially from muslim countries.
For me it’s hard to accept that originally Christian societies are transforming more and more into a kind of arabic periphery. I’m not very religious but I want to live within a Judeo-Christian culture. I just do not want to be surrounded by high numbers of immigrants coming from several third world countries.

This is btw one of the reasons why I don’t understand your “Don’t try to change anything”-attitude. You said: “This is just worrying too much about minor things that barely impact you”, but I think the problems of today’s societies are far from minor.

…or when it presents older ideas in an innovative form. There are already several libertarian/conservative student movements (e.g. TurningPointUSA) which are very successful and fast growing although they partly base on a very old idea: capitalism.
But they are successful because they approach to the issues in a fresh and modern manner. Additional they focus on new ideas like defending free speech against political correctness on collage campus.
That’s why I think we don’t have to say: It’s all hopeless; We never can change people; We should do nothing; We have to accept the world how it is and sit it out for the rest of our lives…


#66

I was talking about disagreeing with Trump. You asked for 10-15% of issues I disagree with him on. I’m saying it doesn’t especially matter.

I am one person. I am not going to hold back an incoming hoard of Islamic migrants. I don’t think it’s a good idea. But it’s also not productive for me to spend a lot of time fretting about it. I can make a case for why I think it’s a bad idea. Maybe we stop it, maybe we don’t. My passion and investment in it won’t matter.

Let’s say you’re really dedicated. You’re so involved you have the influence of 300 typical voters! The country has about 150 million semi-active voters. So you have sway over 0.00000002% of the country’s political direction. If that motivates you to do more… by all means go for it. I appreciate that you care for society and it’s a sign of an intelligent person to be concerned about the broader world. But I’d still suggest temperance and realistic expectations. Where we end up politically is very much out of your control. You could do a lot more in your personal life to shield yourself from any negative government fallout than the 0.00000002% influence you’ll have by seeking societal change.


#67

You fail to understand because you are a selective reader. You have stated more than once I said "all we need is GOD and it will solve all’ and or words to that effect, well I never said that.

Now you have said: " I really don’t understand what you are trying to tell me. What is your point? That you have to serve at the army to be able to value your country - or that more people should become land-owners?" Where the hell you dreaming this stuff up? I never said those things. Either your selective read or your bias is so strong that you cannot see the forest for the trees here…

I said you need ownership in your country, military is sure a good way to get it. My country called (draft) and I went and gave them 2 years of my life, year of it as a combat soldier. I see the world and my country a lot different as a result.

We have and entire generation, maybe 2 that think being a communist is cool and socialism would be a great economic model…HELL I kill commies!

Today the military has become a social engineering experiment and a place where people can go and make a career out of having babies on the taxpayer dime. Having a baby every 3rd year for 20 makes 6 kids, they will spend about half of that time on sick leave or light duty status and in a NON deployable status! Few patriots are coming out of the military today like in early times.

Anyone who sees the GOVT as owe them something for which they have never paid for (welfare, Obama fone, Free: housing, utilities, medical care etc etc etc) is never a patriot! They are just a parasite on the country.

Every one, every SWINGIN Richard and Bouncing Betty should pay taxes if ONLY, $1.00 buck. We have 98 million people that live off the taxpayer and do not and many never have paid any taxes. I doubt 10% of them even own an American flag, stand for the Anthem or anything else. Their singluar thought in life is what the GOVT can do for them.

Read it twice, maybe your will GET IT!


#68

What you do not consider in your calculation is that normally two presidential candidates just differ in a few percentage points. So you don’t have to influence 150 million semi-active voters but only a few percent of them, if you want to influence the result of a presidential election. The second point is: Assumed you would influence 300 people some of them could influence 300 in turn… and so on. Theoretically such a chain could be endless.

Some people have very good ideas or approaches. For example Charlie Kirk started the conservative/libertarian student movement TPUSA just four years ago. Now the movement is active at over 1000 collage campuses. (https://www.tpusa.com/).
They annually initiate leadership summits (and many other things) whose number of participants doubled every year.
I think if you have innovative, good ideas, the right topics and it’s the right time you could influence much more than 300. I think there has never been such a need for a conservative/libertarian countermovement than today. But you need the right approach.

There have been many liberal student movements in the past. But now they have no more potential to grow and they are no longer needed, their topics and issues are outdated. I think this is one of the reasons for violent protests at the universities. They just don’t know what they should do. They are protesting against problems which do not exist - and they are generating new.
But conservative movements are still rare. TPUSA is an exception. If there is a gap in the market – and I think there is a gap – you could use this for your advantage too. Filling a market niche always makes you successful.


#69

This is true and I think there probably is a market not just for conservative organizations on campus, but probably more conservative run state schools.

That’s not our original topic, but I hope your advocacy leads to an enrichment of your life. If it edifies you than that’s for the best. I wish you luck in the future.


#70

Some wag once proclaimed that “Colleges of Education” in our universities SHOULD be–like an unwanted kitten–placed in a bag and drowned before they can do more harm. Colleges of Education seem to be attracting only those who are unable to function in other disciplines and most are populated with students who’ve TRANSFERRED their majors from other, more rigorous, fields of study. Of all the disciplines in universities, (with the possible exception of Social “Sciences”) they are the MOST likely to be taught by left-wing ideologues–thus turning out more left-wing ideologues with which to pollute our public education system.


#71

One of my high school teachers advised getting a Liberal Arts degree in the subject you wished to teach, rather than a degree in education, which (supposedly) just teaches you how to teach, rather than the subject matter you’re supposed to be teaching.


#72

Now you have said: " I really don’t understand what you are trying to tell me. What is your point? That you have to serve at the army to be able to value your country - or that more people should become land-owners?" Where the hell you dreaming this stuff up? I never said those things. Either your selective read or your bias is so strong that you cannot see the forest for the trees here…

I said you need ownership in your country, military is sure a good way to get it. My country called (draft) and I went and gave them 2 years of my life, year of it as a combat soldier. I see the world and my country a lot different as a result.

We have and entire generation, maybe 2 that think being a communist is cool and socialism would be a great economic model…HELL I kill commies!

Today the military has become a social engineering experiment

And is itself the executer of a social experiment in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Both attempts to repeat our experience in S. Korea, while never acknowledging that S. Korea had the right elements to make things works; elements Afghanistan and Iraq lack.

You can’t give people liberal constitutions like rule of law and judicial review, and expect a culture with no understanding or desire for it to affirm it.


#73

Thanks!
And you mentioned one point that speaks in favour of activism I forgot to mention: The act of activism itself can be very fulfilling.

The ideology at today’s universities are self-preservative. Students indoctrinate students.
I know from my own experience that you will not be accepted if you do not devote yourself to the left-liberal mainstream. Kirk founded said counter-movement and I experienced it as very refreshing when I found his website: You people wearing “Socialism Sucks”-T-Shirts, slogans like “I survived collage without becoming liberal“ or “We love Capitalism”. Kirk is a really great guy and very dedicated. FOX interviewed him several times the last years.