How to QUIT your job and make MORE MONEY!!!!


#1

Average American wages and benefits: $25 per hour

Average WELFARE cash + benefits: $32 per hour

“On Thursday, the Senate Budget Committee released a startling welfare spending report based on a new Congressional Research Study. According to the report** in 2011 the United States spent $1.028 trillion dollars on welfare, which is more than the states and federal government spent on Social Security, **Non-Military Defense or Medicare. The federal spending on welfare entitlements now accounts for one fifth of the federal budget and consumes over5% of the GDP. This is almost a 30% spending increase since the start of the Obama Administration. The CRS report focused on over 80 benefit programs for low-income families including food stamps, low incomes housing, cash assistance, energy assistance and tax credits for low income families.The federal government spent 745.84 billion in 2011 on welfare programs, a 32% increase since 2008 and the individual states spent $282.7 billion in 2011 showing a 29% increase since 2008. The CRS report also points out that the food assistance program had the greatest increase, from 2008 to 2011 the United States increased its spending by 71% and the spending for energy assistance programs increased 67% from 2008 to 2011. The most expensive program on the list is Medicaid which jumped from $82 billion in federal spending in 2008 to $296 billion in 2011. According to washingtontimes.com the majority of the funds that boosted these programs came from the 2009 stimulus.”

Guess this answers it, Quit work and draw welfare…
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#2

Margaret Thatcher had a saying for what is going on there.


#3

NO that is not the answer. I would kill myself before taking a welfare check!


#4

Wow 32 dollars an hour? I work for 6.50 after taxes.


#5

Its just a thought but it would be interesting to see the impact of stagnating wages that have fallen behind inflation for the past 6 years and a high unemployment rate, connected with dropping wages have on those statitistics. Could it be that less tax money comming in as a result of a poor economy ment a much lower GDP? Could it also mean that there are more people on assistance because there is such a high unemployment/underemployment increase in the last 6 years that there are more families that have droped in income to the point where they qualify for WICK, Foodstamps etc? I wonder how much of the implications you are drawing from that data have taken those variables into account?

Much of those hourly wages from that data you are quoting are ear marked for certain things and cant be spent on just anything you want to spend it on (i.e you cant buy a car or a house with WICK, foodstamps, daycare vouchers, or Medicaid.)

As you probably know being in the military. If you had a kid or two and was a private E1-E4 you qualified and needed WICK and foodstamps just to provide for your family off the low wages the lower ranks were paid. A sargent is Daddy, Priest, and generally responsable for thier lower rank squad members and know just how hard it was for lower rank soldiers to provide for thier families getting paid such low wages while working their but off.

p.s. Margret Thatcher was a great Prime Minister however, she had a tendency of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. She also had a much smaller economy to manage then we do. So unions had a much bigger impact on the little pond she had to manage compared to our huge and much more diverse economy we have to manage.


#6

If you NEED it to support your family, take it as a boost to help you get back on your feet. Get off it as quickly as you can! That is how it should work. To turn it into a lifestyle is where you should be ashamed.


#7

There was a time in our society that going on welfare even for that reason, the reason for which it was originally intended, was still a source of shame for the recepient. Thgis was true even though most people would have given them a pass for doing so and taking a job ASAP.


#8

Sorry … couldn’t resist …

Dang, 17O! I thought this thread was going to be about the wonders of Amway, HerbalLife or some other MLM outfit! But some of those are genuine businesses. Has any court yet ruled that dependence on social programs is a valid career path and lifestyle?


#9

Good comments:

Here is the problem: We are being led down the path by the govt telling us that its 2 things:

  1. Medicare

  2. Social Security

Really?

FACT: The most expensive program is Medicaid which jumped from $82 billion in federal spending in 2008 to $296 billion in 2011.

Welfare is on a $1.1 Trillion dollar spending spree and growing near vertical.

Anyone notice that the amount of our annual federal debt is about the same as Welfare spending?

Are we not seeing the old game of the bean under the cup and they guy shuffles the 3 cups and all you have to do is pick the cup its under and you win. Well we are not getting the truth. The feds WANT as many people on the fed dole as possible, its a vote for the Communist-socialists, errr Democrats. As for you that are history buffs then you know this is a keyway into a (elected) dictatorship. What is being done is glossing over the Welfare BOMB that stands to take over the country. And we YOU are being prepped to take a MAJOR hit on you SS and a major increase in medical costs…BECAUSE of the imbalance of payments:

Imbalance of payments: Medicare costs ME personally $104 per MONTH taken out of my SS. Now I have paid into Medicare and SS since I was 18 or so. Now the money is gone, Congress took it and spent it and is spending it on Welfare.

SS and Medicare is an entitlement and it is so because I paid in all my life, in fact we created a contract in the future. That contract has been violated and it fixin get really get violated because:

The big problem with Welfare/Medicaid is that its FREE, NO ONE has to pay into it to qualify, in fact you do not need to be a US citizen. So the result is we have a $1 + TRILLION buck a year program that no one has EVER paid a dime into…Imbalance of payments.

In order of Bammy and the socialists to be successful they have to cover the $1T in Welfare costs and do it without the public knowing it and there is ONLY ONE place to go to…SS/Medicare because we have money and they can hit 99% of the population.

Get ready folks, we are going to have a BOHICA moment: Bend Over Here It Comes Again

“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero


#10

I had the same exact thought!


#11

LOL I can tell you how to quit your job and start a company, cannot guarantee you will make more money, but you might. I will guarantee you will have the same opportunity I do, if you don’t call me I will stand with you, but the outcome, well that is up to you.

Can we wean folks off welfare? Not easy, but can be done.

I would take the average US wage as my target income. But welfare would be a pittance, but allow you to work and continue to draw welfare till you gross income hit US average and then for every dollar over that you would lose 2 dollars in welfare…


#12

What if?
We all quit our jobs and go on welfare? No taxes paid to run the Government? Not a problem, they can just print it.

Isn’t that where we’re headed under the tyrannical Obama Regime anyway?
The convict on, “Oh Brother”, who was just baptised to his buddies, “Come on in fellers, the water’s fine”.
(sarcasm and satire)


#13

I like that approach to welfare.

As far as setting up a business is concerned I wouldn’t put that up as a solution per se. Lets face it, it takes a certain personality type to start a business and make it successful. To be quite honest with you not everyone has that personality type. You need to have a type A personality to a certain extent:

  1. Actually like people (a great many tolerate others but don’t really like being around others)
  2. Risk taking personality (many people are very conservative by nature so out of fear stay on the shallow end fo the pool when it comes risk.)
  3. You have social skills to positivly interact with people to be able to build trust and feelings of friendship so they will want to buy what you are selling.
  4. you have to be somewhat of a gambler with a predisposition twords creativity.
  5. Have social connections they can mentor with to get thier business off the ground.
  6. Capital or investor capital to get a business off the ground so you can do it full time rather then evenings and weekends. Thus decreasing the chance of burnout.

Most people I think tend to be risk averse and chose to stick with wages rather then starting businesses as they lack much of items one through seven. Most people who try to fake items one-three would never make it as a business owner as there true personality would eventually reveal itself or they would simply end up being miserable people.

People who have number 1-3 or 4 end up being salespeople for companies or corperate mid-level managers. People with levels of all seven tend to own businesses. People who lack for the most part, 1-4 tend to be the wage earners and the bean counters. There is no reason why all the tax benfits should go to the sales-people, mid-level corperate managers, and business owners just because they tend to represent 40% of all the wealth in this country.

Just a thought.


#14

Exactly!


#15

I remember a program in Peoria, IL that was working on getting the hard-core unemployed into the work-force. I saw one example of one of the things that made it next to impossible. There was a woman who was fired from her job for (here my memory fails a little) for taking too much time off for the weather. If I remember right, it was 8 days in one month. Well, that can happen, if you live out the country, and have a lot of snow storms that the road workers can’t keep up with. But this woman lived across the street from her place of employment!


#16

[quote=“Susanna, post:15, topic:37440”]
I remember a program in Peoria, IL that was working on getting the hard-core unemployed into the work-force. I saw one example of one of the things that made it next to impossible. There was a woman who was fired from her job for (here my memory fails a little) for taking too much time off for the weather. If I remember right, it was 8 days in one month. Well, that can happen, if you live out the country, and have a lot of snow storms that the road workers can’t keep up with. But this woman lived across the street from her place of employment!
[/quote]This reminds me of a lady I had working for me who the night before said she might be a little late because of possible snow and sure enough she was late. No snow.


#17

Wow, sam and Susannah! My commute since 2005 has been more than 50 miles round trip! The excuses I’ve missed!


#18

Ohhh yes, work for the govt why not.

Civillians: Snow, stay home, my boss stayed home for over 7 days

Military: I was in the office every day

Bad weather coming, military post sends ALL CIVILIANS HOME, military, just another work day


#19

At the time, my job was closer to 60 miles round trip. It has seldom been less than 40. I did miss 5 days in one month for the weather, but the road in front of our house wasn’t cleared until afternoon most times, occasionally not until the next day, and this was with 3 & 4 foot drifts on the road, and me with my little Rambler American. We got in the habit of parking at the end of the driveway, so we didn’t have the excuse of not getting out of the driveway. Long driveway, hand shoveled, and it drifted heavily, too. Oh, and I had to use company-provided paid absence days for that - we got 6 in a year.


#20

Not all facilities work that way. 4WD works well in such situations.