Michael Scheuer: Idea We're Attacked Because Of Our Culture And Freedom Is Insane


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Michael Scheuer: The Idea That They’re Attacking Us Because Of Our Culture And Freedom Is Insane

“We should have went to Afghanistan and won the war. We went to Afghanistan, spent 13 years and got chased out by guys with weapons from the Korean War. The Islamists started this war, they explained to us as clearly as General Giap and Ho Chi Minh explained to us why they were fighting us and we have ignored it. Mrs. Clinton has ignored it, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama. The idea that they’re attacking us because of our culture is insane. We are now waging a war against them culturally. We’re trying to impose democracy, women’s rights, parliamentary systems on a people who don’t want it. They’re going to fight that. They don’t care if we vote, why should they care about that?”

Michael Scheuer:
CIA 1982-2004
Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka “Alec Station”), 1996-1999
Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit, 2001-2004
Presently a Professor at Georgetown University’s Center for Peace and Security Studies


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It not because they hate our freedoms. it because they do not want what we have because it will put those radicals out of power. Once the people learn that they are the ones with the power radical elements lose what ever power that they might of held once. Just look at how well organizations like the KKK and what not far here in the states. No one bats and eyelash at them because they have no power over anyone but themselves and they know if they lashed out in the way that AQ and the Taliban do that the American people would shut them down for good. These terrorist are just that, terrorist. All they want is to terrorize, oppress and impose their twisted beliefs on others.


#3

I agree. But those a very small group of people. The problem with a lot of our foreign policy is it leads massive amounts of people towards the true radicals and allows them to gain sympathy. I’d wager to say that 99% of Afghans don’t give a damn about the US and would never even care to attack us if we weren’t occupying their country for 13 years. The 1% will want to attack anyone who isn’t ‘with them’ regardless and those are the ones we need to take out before they harm us. Occupying Afghanistan turns a very large portion of the otherwise peaceful (or indifferent) 99% against us.


#4

I think we can all agree that every person of different nations have a certain level of nationalism. Being occupied, even if for a good reason, will breed resentment among the masses.


#5

Let’s all dance around the real issue.

We support Israel. They hate Israel. Their prophet commanded they take action against Jews and Christians, and all who do not believe.
Do they hate our freedoms? Of course.
DO they hate our involvement in ME affairs? Of course.

But, if it were just because of our freedoms, the more moderate would not be afraid to speak out.
If it were just because we meddle, even the moderates would come out against us.

What is the only reason the radical want to kill us, and the non violent refuse to speak out? Religion. The radical take all 109 verses that command violence, to heart and the passive, are afraid to go against their religion, and its leaders.

Not rocket surgery.


#6

I don’t understand why this is obvious. We aren’t the only free country, and even if we are, why would they care how we live, on the other side of the globe?


#7

I guess your knowledge of Islam is at the same level as your understanding of Christianity.
Our freedoms run contrary to their religious beliefs. Read up.


#8

Yes we pretty much are

Most of the other “1st world” countries dont have nearly the same amount of personal liberties that we do


#9

Take action as in evangelize, not kill.


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[quote=“Jebby, post:9, topic:39213”]
Take action as in evangelize, not kill.
[/quote]It is obvious, you have never read what you are trying to discuss.

“O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” Qur’an 5:51 So, right there in their book, they cannot be friends with us.

“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” Quran 2:191-193Doesn’t sound like proselytizing, to me. More like Muslims are worth more, than Christians and Jews. It also tells them to continue fighting until all believe in Allah.

“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” Quran 4:95 This instructs them that if they do not kill the infidel, or at least provide support for it(money), they are less than good.

Once again, speak without knowing. Amazing.


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Well It amazes me that when all is said and done, lot of people talk, hypothesize ideate, and yet no one really grasps The truth. This professor is correct on some counts, and others may be right on their counts, but Why do Americans seem to be the target? because we stand out there like a target.
From the beginning of time there have been despots little and big. Someone who is looking to expand their horizons.There has NEVER been a time in history where actual peace reigned for more than a year or two. If I have two brothers I have strife.Factions face off in farming and territorial disputes, hunting grounds, shephard leas, fishing vessels and best net locations, nicer living quarters, water rights, every aspect of life comes under the grass is greener scrutiny. We have religious wars, heathen sacrifices, alien sacrifices which need war to add more sacrifices.
In this day in age, coming from the wars within our memory, we have issues of weak communications, misunderstanding communications, land grabs, people grabs, ideology grabs, misinterpretation of issues, and as we approach our 21st century skirmishes, we have a rise in militant religion and Jihad.
America was the world Savior by the end of WW1 and as WW2 fell into place, reluctantly America was drawn into the battlefields across the globe. Coming to the Korean conflict [not war—semantics] American had become the leader of the free world against the Chinese Communistic movement and the Russian style Socialism This would be the banner for the next few decades, defender of the free world. Through the settlement of the fledgling nation of Israel BY THE UN, in a pocket of land not declared by anybody [ remember this was not an established nation of Palestinians] and the support of The Jewish people, it gave rise to the Muslim pushback. In the meantime middleeast politics revolving around oil and only oil intermingled with Sikh and Sunni differences the middle east becomes a potboiler of religious murder and strife within the Islam community.
Because of great intentions and lack of leadership with all of our politicians not just presidents. many mistakes are made as to our position, responsibility, depth of engagement, and sense of purpose in the world. Starting with the Korean conflict through Viet Nam, and the various middleeast and African hotspots and the “limited Engagement Policies” America began to stir up resentments at home and abroad.
Now for today, the Muslim conflict throughout the world is the resultant of fundamentalists who have been given a seat at the table thus emboldening them. We have a Muslim influenced president, an congress who is deathly afraid to stand head high against him. And disaffected young people yearning for a voice. We have a Christian Nation that has abrogated their Christian principles for expediency, and a United Nations that has been all but taken over by the Muslim world.
Why does the world hate us? because in our arrogance we forgot who our friends are. We forgot where our faith lies. We forgot our moral core.


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The Land of Israel hasn’t been a declared sovereign nation since Rome destroyed the last Temple and scattered the Jews in the Diaspora, selling the ones that they could into slavery and leaving only a remnant in “The Promised Land”, but a remnant has remained until this very day, and that remnant has never given up the promise of their God. The Jews are the only people who have physically possessed the Land of Israel since Moses led them out of slavery in Egypt and Joshua led them across the River Jordan into the “Promised Land”.
Many Nations have occupied it, but there’s never been a Sovereign Nation there except Israel.
Compared to Judeo/Christianity, Islam is a ‘Johnny come lately’.


#13

Yeah, they’re really suffering in Australia. So much oppression.

I would argue that some countries even have more freedom than we do, what with illegal wiretapping and the possibility of detainment without charge in the NDAA last year, the lack of gay marriage, the war on drugs.

Whatever your positions on the above topics, the fact is that the government is prohibiting certain liberties or freedoms, whether for good or bad.


#14

It is quite obvious why they hate us and why they attack us. It is due to our youth (and some of our adult males) watching Britney Spears videos.


#15

Australia doesnt have freedom of speech and they confiscated guns


#16

They have freedom of political speech. But I don’t see how that makes them “not free,” while we get to keep the title, when we commit similar aggressions.


#17

Australians would disagree. But one could argue that Australians aren’t Americans, what works in one place may not work in another.


#18

Not since 2005, Australia brought back sedition laws. Why it makes them not free is that freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are 2 of the most important freedoms.

But the argument is not about what works, its about America being the only truly free country.


#19

We have I right to bear arms?!? Awesome! (It’s a horribly cliché joke I know but you set it up & I couldn’t resist)


#20

I’m going to have to disagree, Freedom House and it’s annual survey currently have 90 countries ranked as being “free”. The U.S. and Australia are both included on that list.