Obama - the worst republican ever?


#1

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/us2012.php

Is it true, is Obama just the worst Republican president the world has ever seen? I still think he’s a big government lefty and that most people forgot what it meant to be Republican (small government, low taxes, strong military). But what about these comments from the political compass:

This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

[Obama] has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. […] Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama’s detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008’s yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? […]

Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he’s a man of so few fixed principles.
The Political Compass - US Presidential Election 2012

Read more at that link. They also mention Ron Paul, Gingrich, Santorum, Romney, the tea party and others. So, what do you think? Is Obama the worst [republican] president of all time?


#2

:coffee_spray::grin::howler::rofl:


#3

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.72
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Keep in mind there is some leeway to the ramifications of answers. This makes me look like a lefty which is far from the truth


#4

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=5.12&soc=-0.72


#5

Those stupid charts are meaningless.


#6

[quote=“Susanna, post:5, topic:36265”]
Those stupid charts are meaningless.
[/quote]Bingo. The questions can have many answers depending on the situation. Some questions have clear answers but some it depends on circumstances.


#7

It also depends on who designs the chart, and who decides what the response mean.


#8

That page offers a fairly obvious insight into American team politics, which is what’s really going on:

As outrageous as it may appear, civil libertarians and human rights supporters would have actually fared better under a Republican administration. Had a Bush or McCain presidency permitted extrajudicial executions virtually anywhere in the world ( United States of America: ), expanded drone strikes and introduced the NDAA, the Democratic Party would have howled from the rooftops. Senator Obama the Constitutional lawyer would have been one of the most vocal objectors. Under a Democratic administration however, these far-reaching developments have received scant opposition and a disgraceful absence of mainstream media coverage.
American politics is mostly about whether it’s an R or D after your name and less about principle, imho, so much so that folks constantly complain about the other side’s attacks on liberty while missing the mote in their own eye. Of course that makes some folks question where the chart places them, but that’s to be expected. No one wants to be called a socialist or an authoritarian.


#9

Of course, I think these tests fail too because this idea of separate lines for social issues and economics is rather silly. The only line that exists is the spectrum between liberty and authority. This just measures the contradictions that result from our team-based political system.


#10

The brain dead trolls who make these charts always skew their own ideas as Liberty and their opponents views as authoritarian.

As an example;
Pro Abortion is a “Libertarian” view but Pro Life is an “Authoritarian” view, as if killing the innocent means you are for liberty.

But to answer the question no, Obama is not the worst Republican ever.
Nixon was far more Left Wing than Obama and his destruction is alive and well 40 years later.


#11

Good points from everyone!

I’d like to hear what one or two of our resident liberals think about this writeup.


#12

I posted this Daniel McCarthy interview in another thread, but one of his comments bear to this question rather effectively:

Daily Bell: Some say the Obama administration is a kind of Bush-Lite administration and that there is not much difference between the two parties. What is your opinion?

Daniel McCarthy:Obama is worse than Bush-lite, he’s more like Bush-plus in many respects, since he has centralized the economy even more and has actually expanded some of Bush’s military and executive powers . . .The Democrats are generally the less dangerous party because they are less attuned to the country – they favor domestic socialism, which Americans don’t much like, and a more multilateral foreign policy, which neither doves nor hawks like. They have no following, so the amount of harm they can do is limited. The Republicans talk about freedom and capitalism even as they practice corporatist socialism and they talk the patriotic God-and-country talk that the American people love to hear.

This means they can whip up the public and do many more dangerous things both in foreign policy and in the economy. But the only thing that can counter the Republicans’ debt-inflation-war ideology is some other kind of right-wing force that can be patriotic and religious without being nationalistic and apocalyptic, that can talk about economic freedom and actually cut government and balance budgets, not spend like a wastrel and promise that “growth” will solve our problems.


#13

:rofl: Sorry I couldn’t help it. But these things are usually dead wrong. I found one that came close a long time ago.

Thought they may be right. Obama could be a Republican but to dang stupid to know it hence why he is such a poor President.


#14

Thanks, but it seems that this is quite the opposite (interestingly enough) from what the Political Compass surmises:

As outrageous as it may appear, civil libertarians and human rights supporters would have actually fared better under a Republican administration. Had a Bush or McCain presidency permitted extrajudicial executions virtually anywhere in the world ( United States of America: ), expanded drone strikes and introduced the NDAA, the Democratic Party would have howled from the rooftops. Senator Obama the Constitutional lawyer would have been one of the most vocal objectors. Under a Democratic administration however, these far-reaching developments have received scant opposition and a disgraceful absence of mainstream media coverage.


#15

I read the questions on the test. They are definitely lead a person to answer a certain way. Pure poppycock.


#16

I wonder if there is a way to make a better version of this type of test.


#17

That would require near universal agreement on what constitutes a “Liberty” position and an “Authoritarian” position as well as what defines “Right” and “Left”.

Since nobody wants to be considered “Left” or “Authoritarian” those who embrace these views fight vehemently to have their positions classified as the opposite, sometimes using utterly ridiculous arguments.

It seems like these people make most of these little cheat sheets.

It does not require much browsing on this site to find those who argue that Unions are not in conflict with individual Liberty and self determination or that supporting the destruction of innocent human life is a position consistent with a Pro Liberty agenda while simultaneously opposing the execution of the guilty who murder innocent people in the commission of a crime.

Pretty tough to find a consensus to build into a test under those conditions.


#18

I highly doubt it. When most people take any kind of “personality” test they almost always answer with their heart and not with their mind. They go for the feel good answer and the one that will show them in the best light to others. I took a personality test not to long ago for work. I tried to answer as honest as possible and not with “what my company wants”. I’ll let you decide if its accurate or not.

Dac will most strongly express the following behaviors:

Proactivity, assertiveness, and sense of urgency in driving to reach his goals. Openly challenges
the world around him.

Independent in putting forth his own ideas, which are often innovative and, if implemented,
cause change. Resourcefully works through or around anything blocking completion of what he
wants to accomplish; aggressive when challenged.

Impatient for results, he puts pressure on himself and others for rapid implementation, and is far
less productive when doing routine work.

Risk-taking, daring, and focus on future goals; he’s more concerned with where he’s going than
either how he’ll get there, or where he’s been. Adaptable, operates flexibly.

Makes decisions and takes action, even with little proof confirming his decision. Confident in his
own ideas and unimpressed with tradition.

Flexible approach to ‘the book;’ often bends the rules and does things his own way. An
innovative, out-of-the-box thinker who is undaunted by failure.

Dac is a distinctly independent and individualistic person, strong-minded and determined.
Venturesome, he will “stick his neck out” and take responsibility for risks when he believes he is right.
He finds the challenge of new problems and new ventures stimulating and responds to them with
action. He has a lot of confidence in himself, his own knowledge, ability and decisions.

Dac is an ingenious and innovative problem-solver and troubleshooter. He has an actively inquiring
mind, a lively interest in the technical aspects of his work, and a need to know and learn more about the
systems, techniques, facts, and concepts involved in it. He will drive hard to get things done his own
way, and quickly. A self-starter, he initiates, makes decisions, and assumes responsibility for them. He
has a strong competitive drive, is ambitious, and will drive himself hard to achieve his goals. His sense
of urgency and impatience for results will put pressure on others as well as on himself.

In expressing himself, he is direct, factual, outspoken, and frank. His approach to others is authoritative,
telling, and, if he encounters resistance or competition, aggressive. Always concerned with timely
results, he deals with ambiguous situations briskly and firmly.

Because Dac has a broad focus on goals and results, he prefers to delegate details to others. Quick and
fairly accurate in handling details himself, he becomes very impatient and less accurate in doing work
which requires routine and repetitive handling of details at a slow or systematic pace.

That’s about half of it. The test was 2 questions only. The first was check the boxes on what traits you think others expect of you. The second was check the box on what traits you have. The test takes into account the boxes you don’t check as well as the boxes you do check. Over all I think its the most accurate one I have taken. I know it can be applied to a political spectrum.


#19

Great answers. So, when can you start? :grin:

[quote=Dac]That’s about half of it. The test was 2 questions only. The first was check the boxes on what traits you think others expect of you. The second was check the box on what traits you have. The test takes into account the boxes you don’t check as well as the boxes you do check. Over all I think its the most accurate one I have taken. I know it can be applied to a political spectrum.[/QUOTE]
Oh, simple and accurate. Interesting. Wonder how the options would be presented…


#20

I’d be willing to make a test for RO and try a couple different versions based on ideas here.