Obamas speech at the convention, powerful statement against Trump...


#1

As far as I can tell this one statement is about as powerful and accurate a statement that is preventing many Conservatives from supporting him. Obama said something to the effect that “America isn’t looking for a ruler”. This to me is the most dangerous vision that Trump often portrays…he could be a tyrant, trying to be solo leader who can solve all with a wave of his wand a, sole ruler who would try to alter America into an authoritarian government.

Yes, it is a dark description, but the way in which he says certain things, how he seems to admire certain leaders and tactics, it is very tough to see him as being a strong supporter of small government. He might do himself a favor and talk about strong state rights and the constitution. He would also be wise to speak at length with Mike Pence about governments role in the economy.


#2

Obama is an utter hypocrite to make this statement.


#3

Appears you think the idiot obama is the greatest. Remember Trump is not the president and obama is. obama has flaunted the constitution and enacted stuff without congress and so on so he has no footing in claiming some else will be a tyrant or dictator.


#4

Sure I get the criticisms. However, consider some of Trumps words: “only I can fix this”, his admiration for leaders who have become dictators. It sometimes gives the appearance that to him this election is about conquest, not duty. Contrast that with Pence and the words he uses.

What Trump believes is probably lost in translation as he doesn’t know how to express himself in some cases, but some of this is basic stuff. In all honesty, with all of the scandals and low trust numbers, Trump should be up by 15-20% in the polls, but he has shot himself in the foot 1000 times and disenfranchised so many. Only due to the excessive unhappiness and desire for change by the American people does he have a shot. He has to get away from this Caesarian projection as that is how many view his image.


#5

Frankly I don’t see that, we have lived thru almost 8 years of tyrannical rule, but more of a dictator than a leader, a man who has PUBLICLY stated he will do it HIS way, he has “a phone and a pen”, he “doesn’t need Congress” and to back that up this pas year his admin produced over 66,000 pages of rules, regulations and laws NOT voted on by congress. The least transparent and most lawless admin in my lifetime!

And YOU are trying to tell me that you think Trump is a dictator? You got to be KIDDING on this…


#6

SC, you’re not allowed to say that Obama has a point about anything, ever. By saying “Obama said something that makes sense”, you are embracing every aspect of Socialism, and rejecting both conservatism and God. If ever you type Obama’s name, you MUST ensure that the sentence then contains an insult to Obama.
Anything less, makes you a socialist who worships Obama as your own personal god.


#7

For sure Trump is a wild card and also for sure he will be battling not only the democrats but the GOP which is an arm of the democrats. Trump comes to the table with actual experience dealing with these same people. Whether he gets things done like he says is still up in the air. Meanwhile you admire obama all you want and wish that Hillary will be the new president.

Keep in mind I was not a Trump supporter and if he does make it then we will at least an American president who cares for the country who will try to reverse the invasion allowed by those now in power and give our country back a semblance of goodwill rather than scorn.


#8

Just remember that ole Slewfoot BELIEVES that Jesus is God, but what does that get him? Talk is cheap!!!


#9

If obama could we would be seeing what is occurring in Turkey which is a take over by Islam


#10

“Admire Obama all you want”? I try and stick to facts. Hes been far from perfect, I am just reporting the news as the speech that many voters will consider.

Ultimately Trump isn’t my kind of leader. This being said, he has one clear positive, he is new enough to politics to evolve. His choice of VP and even the convention to some respect is helping him. As you said, he is a wildcard. It’s impossible to know how successful he might be with certain policies and even if he believes these policies himself.

Both he and Clinton have historical negatives, neither are ideal. I am far more interested in the Republican policies and my belief in these policies than my loyalty to any candidate, especially in regards to their historically strong support for the constitution, rule of law and ideals that favor the individual over the collective.


#11

BS you have been pushing democrat values all along and trying to tell us how to vote. Love obama all you want.


#12

look at the diff at what happened in each convention.


#13

True


#14

Obama doesn’t like Trump? Just another reason to vote for Trump. If Biden chimes in & says that he doesn’t like Trump I may have to pull a democrat & vote for Trump TWICE. (wink)


#15

I really do not know those who were picked for VP on both side and I wonder if we will be another example of a king’s fool like Biden


#16

Tell you how to vote? I wanted Rubio or Rand Paul. You telling me you were a Trump surrogate from day one?

Vote as you wish, it’s clearly an election of choosing the “lesser of two evils”. Both choices are undesirable and unpopular, this is clear.


#17

This is what is causing such a divide eh? We are all supposed to be cheerleaders and take extreme loyalty positions as if watching a sporting event. My personal opinion, is rather than judge a party or even a leader in a totally defined manner, I choose to judge on each policy. You can have an opinion on balance, but you can’t demonize all activities or present those as saints simply because you like them, disagree/agree with them.

There are plenty or reasons to be critical of nearly every politician. I didn’t like the details of the Iran deal for instance. I am absolutely against the excessive debt Obama has taken on, the Executive Orders. Who wants to bet that Obama has many regrets as well, it’s natural when you have a particular vision and can’t fulfill it. This doesn’t mean his characterization of Trump isn’t one that others have thought of as well, myself included. Just as I have viewed Clinton as being above the law with some of her actions. These are common themes we are all seeing, the polls suggest this from the electorate, Clinton herself has admitted the mistakes and knows she has issues to overcome.

Hell, I have even given some credit to Trump when I was vehemently against him from the beginning. I am fluid in understanding politics and what is at stake, I will cheerlead for noone unconditionally, though I will have my preferences for leadership; all of who have long been out of this race.


#18

[quote=“shockedcanadian, post:17, topic:49174”]
This is what is causing such a divide eh? We are all supposed to be cheerleaders and take extreme loyalty positions as if watching a sporting event.
[/quote]Only when it comes to demonizing the other side. You can even demonize other Republicans, but you need to make sure you’re angry and vitriolic about it.

[quote=“shockedcanadian, post:17, topic:49174”]
My personal opinion, is rather than judge a party or even a leader in a totally defined manner, I choose to judge on each policy. You can have an opinion on balance, but you can’t demonize all activities or present those as saints simply because you like them, disagree/agree with them.

There are plenty or reasons to be critical of nearly every politician. I didn’t like the details of the Iran deal for instance. I am absolutely against the excessive debt Obama has taken on, the Executive Orders. Who wants to bet that Obama has many regrets as well, it’s natural when you have a particular vision and can’t fulfill it. This doesn’t mean his characterization of Trump isn’t one that others have thought of as well, myself included. Just as I have viewed Clinton as being above the law with some of her actions. These are common themes we are all seeing, the polls suggest this from the electorate, Clinton herself has admitted the mistakes and knows she has issues to overcome.

Hell, I have even given some credit to Trump when I was vehemently against him from the beginning. I am fluid in understanding politics and what is at stake, I will cheerlead for noone unconditionally, though I will have my preferences for leadership; all of who have long been out of this race.
[/quote]You sound like Karl Marx/Barney the Dinosaur right now.

At this point, the only way to redeem yourself is to travel to Reagan’s Library, kneel at his grave and do penance by reciting the Conservative Creed 1,000 times while rubbing a Cruzary(it’s like a regularly Rosary, but slimy).


#19

Pay attention I was for Cruz. Now you tell us again how great Hillary will be.


#20

So you were for Cruz, as I was for Rubio or Rand Paul.

Here’s the problem, some of Clintons policies are further right than Donalds, others are further left. Tell me which candidate is willing to decrease the debt, most closely align with the Constitution and decrease the size and scope of government and I will show you my support. Neither of these candidates seem willing to accomplish all of these things and you certainly can’t say for certain which candidate might do these things. As I said, it would be a toss up who i would vote for, if Rubio or Rand Paul won, it would be an easy decision.

Furthermore, Trump has muddied the waters with his insane attacks on so many people. How many of these attacks did everyone think “this guy is done for?”. If he had at least thought slightly before going after McCain and making fun of a disabled reporter,s among other absurd actions, he would have been a far easier candidate to support. He has been his own undoing at a time in which he should easily beat an angry electorate who distrusts establishment candidates. He is just now starting to be prepared and understand the stakes, but those words and actions have cost him.

Cruz to me was a used car salesman. Sure he talked a great game and seemed to have some noble ideas, but if he ever had a chance of getting anything done he would have been able to influence his colleagues better in his political career. I would love to have believed in him but I couldn’t. He seemed to present great ideas and then engaged in underhanded tactics against Carson, odd commercials and even photoshopped ads of Rubio and Obama shaking hands. If he had been believable and practiced what he preached, he might have beaten Trump.

I get really suspicious of those who appeal to the worse, and in a dishonest manner at that.