Pastor Sentenced for Protecting Woman and Her Daughter from Ex-partner


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A Mennonite pastor convicted last year of helping a woman flee the country with her daughter in order to keep the little girl from being handed over by court order to the woman’s former lesbian partner was sentenced March 4 by a federal judge to 27 months in prison.
In 2009, Virginia Amish-Mennonite Pastor Kenneth Miller (shown, at center) helped former lesbian Lisa Miller (no relation) leave the country with her daughter, Isabella, after a court granted custody of the child to Miller’s former partner, Janet Jenkins. Jenkins is not biologically related to the girl, and never went through legal proceedings to adopt her.
According to LifeSiteNews.com, the now 10-year-old girl “was conceived by artificial insemination while Jenkins and Miller were in a Vermont civil union, which was dissolved in 2003. Following the end of her relationship, Miller returned to the Baptist religion of her youth and consequently disavowed homosexual behavior. She has raised Isabella with the same values.”
Although two experts testified in sworn affidavits that Isabella suffered serious emotional trauma connected to the court-ordered visits she had with Jenkins, in 2009 a Vermont family court judge gave custody of the child to the Jenkins after Miller refused to share custody with her. However, by that time the Rev. Miller had helped the mother and child to escape to Nicaragua, where the minister’s Beachy Amish sect reportedly has a mission.

Pastor Sentenced for Protecting Woman and Her Daughter from Ex-partner


#2

How deep our country has sunk!


#3

This is exactly the kind of conflict toward which many Libs and Progs are nudging and driving this country: what the government says is right vs. what religious believers (mostly Christians and Jews, at present; the government, at present and in some areas, has been pretzellating its doings to accommodate Muslims) believe God has said is right. More simply, the intentional trend is toward forcing on Christians (etc.), “We must obey God rather than man,” choices.

One unintentional consequence of this, if this trend continues, is that the choices made will separate nominal “Garage Christians” from those who truly believe. This will quickly make Christians stronger, and the oppressive tyranny forcing such choices will incline many willing to recognize it toward those defying that tyranny. We’ve seen this before, but we’re more “civilized” than Imperial Rome: we’ll replace lions and the arena with prisons and mental hospitals.


#4

Was there any abuse of the child on the part of Jenkins? If this was a mother escaping an abusive husband or partner, it would be a different story. As is, it just looks like one bigot working with another bigot to deny someone who is legally that child’s parent. Phrases like “former lesbian” don’t help their case.


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People can change, and she is one of the many who have.


#6

But when people do change it starts to disprove the “born that way” scam and certain people wont allow that


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[quote=“UNTRugby, post:6, topic:38594”]
But when people do change it starts to disprove the “born that way” scam and certain people wont allow that
[/quote]Yep, they’ll try to claim that she is suppressing her natural attraction, in the name of religion. Predictable.


#8

Remember that while change in sexual preference is fixed, gender has no boundaries.


#9

Right is wrong and wrong is right.


#10

Its all relative, what’s right for you is right for you, what’s right for me is right for me. Opposition to the gay lifestyle however, is unacceptable for anyone.


#11

She is suppressing her natural attraction. Regardless of how they’re are operated, these “conversion” programs essebtially teach people to hate who they are.


#12

Are you being sarcastic?


#13

Yes.


#14

Glad he was convicted for breaking the law and aiding in a criminal conspiracy to deprive one parent of her legal rights and a child of a parent inviolation of a court order. This is NO different than an Arab man absconding overseas with a child while leaving the mother who had custody in the USA without recourse.
It is quite simply kidnapping and not a religious OR gay issue at all.

While the pastor may claim to be following the tenets of his religion…he is VIOLATING the LAW. Seems to me that some people around here don’t want Sharia here because everyone must follow OUR LAW and not some religious law that claims to have superiority.


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Why is this an honorable thing? He denied a parent her child. If it was a father to take custody of a child, and he helped the mother and daughter flee the country, would we all be so quick to honor him?


#16

Jenkins is not biologically related to the girl, and never went through legal proceedings to adopt her.

there


#17

And if it was a step mother or step father that was allowed custody? If the court saw fit to give custody to Jenkins, then, without further information about this story, I don’t see how assisting in a kidnapping is an honorable thing to do.

Despite Miller’s religious feelings, she is still denying a parent her child. She was born to Miller and Jenkins, and Jenkins probably loves this child like it was her own. The article is biased, and I can’t see a court giving custody to Jenkins unless the Judge felt there was reason to do so, and if that’s not the case, there are other avenues besides kidnapping the child, and probably spending your life in court once you’re captured. It’s irresponsible and harmful to the child.


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[quote=“Steal_This_Dude, post:11, topic:38594”]
She is suppressing her natural attraction. Regardless of how they’re are operated, these “conversion” programs essebtially teach people to hate who they are.
[/quote] See, typical response. It may teach them to hate what they have become, but she CHOSE not to be lesbian. Personal Responsibility, and individual choice.


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[quote=“Trekky0623, post:15, topic:38594”]
Why is this an honorable thing? He denied a parent her child. If it was a father to take custody of a child, and he helped the mother and daughter flee the country, would we all be so quick to honor him?
[/quote]A make believe parent. Not a real parent.

**Although two experts testified in sworn affidavits that Isabella suffered serious emotional trauma connected to the court-ordered visits she had with Jenkins, in 2009 a Vermont family court judge gave custody of the child to the Jenkins after Miller refused to share custody with her. **

If it was a step father, and the child was traumatized by him, they would not even give him visitation rights.


#20

As make believe as any other step parent.

So the answer is to kidnap the child and leave the country? Please, that’s more traumatizing than anything this Jenkins woman could have done. The fact that Miller was living with her for years before hand and that a judge granted custody places doubt on this story anyway, and the correct answer is to appeal, not to kidnap the child.

EDIT: The full story from the Boston Globe:

The Vermont family court gave custody of Isabella to Lisa Miller and gave Jenkins regular visitation.

Lisa Miller then returned to Virginia, became a conservative Christian, renounced homosexuality, and sought full custody of the girl.

Two months after Lisa Miller and Isabella fled to Nicaragua, a Vermont family court judge transferred custody of the child to Jenkins.

So not only did Miller have custody originally, but she denied visitation, and custody was awarded to Jenkins only AFTER she kidnapped the child. That sounds reasonable to me. A child doesn’t belong with a kidnapper.