Science doesn’t need to attack theology and theologists don’t need to take scientific evidence, theories etc as attacks. It doesn’t really matter what’s true in the end, especially if humans are at some point wiped out of existence because our perceptions & explanations are only relevant to us, they only exist for us. There is nothing to ‘win’ so why battle? So what if your particular beliefs win a few wars & gain a few recruits, that is nothing in comparison to harmony & self determination, people living peacefully & able to decide for themselves which version of reality they are most comfortable with.
Coexistence is possible if both sides make an effort to understand the other side’s motivations. Scientists are motivated to find the truth by testing evidence and are open to re-evaluating theories if evidence suggests there’s a need. Scientists spend their careers testing & retesting to support theories. I’m referring here to scientists studying the creation of the earth & evolution plus related studies, not ‘does such and such cause cancer’. Also, I’m biased in favour of science but that doesn’t change what I just wrote about the testing of theories.
Theology has different motives but it’s not the ‘opposite’ of science, it is what it is. I mean some theologists are motivated to get as many others to believe as they do (either because that way it’s more ‘true’ or because they really want to give other people the peace they’ve found?). Some are motivated to denounce opposing views & go out of their way to ignore points they can’t sufficiently argue or look for possible holes in the logic or science and milk it. I think Dawkins has a little of this motivation too. Theological & spiritual beliefs about existence & creation give people comfort & help to cope with the more hideous aspects of reality that you’ll find in nature.
Also I feel that humans have had to accept a tradeoff for the massive advantages our opposable thumbs AND these massive cerebral cortexes have delivered. That being the ability to understand the significance of death, not just fear it on instinct. Also perhaps one problem with our success at manipulating our environment left us ill at ease with being unable to totally dominate nature, like we resent natural disasters because we’re used to being able to cheat death compared to other animals by using our smarts. I guess prayer alleviates that helplessness somewhat.
I don’t agree with pretty much anything theology says about creation & why we are here but i completely respect why others feel differently. The way I see the world took some getting used to but it gives me a sense of great peace, and I’m still capable of compassion. Actually if anything I’m more compassionate than many people with strong spiritual beliefs. I don’t want to offend anyone here & I’d like to exercise my right to freedom of beliefs I have my reasons. But I don’t get heaps about religion, like why people believe in heaven & hell then go about sinning, or how they seem to pick and choose bits according to who knows what…whatever allows them to not feel guily & scared about doing stuff they shouldn’t, but can’t stop. Also I can never seem to get evidence for ‘the earth is 6000 years old’ or adam and eve etc other than ‘it’s in the bible’. I can’t swallow that, I’m sorry, it’s written therefore it came from our heads because WE are the ones that created language. Then again, the bible says God created language by speaking. I can’t argue with this stuff because there is nothing to test but how can I put faith in that? Especially when there’s been so much revision as church leaders have been forced to reevaluate, thanks to science…flat earth, stars being tears that allow heavan’s light to show through etc.
I can’t accept the concept of God as an intelligent designer or creator because it’s far too simple to be true, and can be too easily explained by looking at the way humans think. As in we create, therefore everything must have been created. When I die, that’s it, I will never exist again nor experience any form of conciousness. As a human all I know is existence therefore I cannot fathom non existence, therefore I can comfortably imagine all kinds of afterlife scenarios (and they are comforting) far more easily than imagining just ending.
I look at all the different cultures and their forms of saying the same thing; we’re not going to stop living just coz we die. Ancient egyptian afterlife, reincarnation, heaven, valhalla etc. It’s clear to me that life after death is entirely a product from inside our heads because if it were outside, the afterlife beliefs would be the same across the globe, surely. Same with ‘god’, we need to believe that there is purpose to everything because we make things have a purpose that’s relevant to us but completely irrelevant to our planet. Our individual lives are irrelevant, but en messe we are currently a significant force.
Our existence is meaningless and is simply as it is. If it wasn’t this way we wouldn’t be here talking or thinking about it. To me existence (of everything, including the universe) is like binary; it’s either on or off, there or not there. I don’t see how there can be an actual purpose to human existence when it’s made up such a minute portion of the earth’s history & can dissapear far easier than it came about…meteors like the one that killed the dinosaurs hit earth on average every 60 million years. We can’t fathom that length of time. The geological period we live in, that we developed in, is a relatively short period of calm compared to past ages. We don’t cause climate change, we may help it along by releasing the carbon trapped post-stromolites but we almost certainly won’t be able to stop it, just adapt or die.
The Earth existed for 2 billion years before the first life forms (stromolites) other than maybe bacteria. It’s been suggested that bacteria were here at the formation of the planet and will be here when all other life is dead, or clinging to the pieces if it somehow explodes or is destroyed. Bacteria have been found in deep ocean vents that melt lead and in ice that froze in a far distant ice age. They seem to survive any conditions & it looks like this is their planet, but what is their purpose other than facilitating the life cycle? And what’s to say that was iontended rather than just what happened, leading to this current reality?
I could go on and on, the theory of evolution fits with plate tectonics, geoscience is far more believable than ‘the earth is 6000 years old because God said so, it’s in the bible which is God’s word and therefore true’. I’m unable to get my head around that way of thinking but I maybe don’t fully understand it (from that simple statement this is pretty clear). But I don’t NEED to be right, and I don’t need others to see the world as I do because it doesn’t matter. What matters is people can live in peace and feel happy & if that means believing in Joseph Smith’s version of events then so be it.