Questionnaire about climate change in my neighborhood


#1

This questionnaire is being circulated by a community representative in a neighborhood adjacent to me. I guess technically, it’s not for me. But I might send in answers anyway.

What do you think? These questions seem very slanted in favor of the predominant leftist viewpoint. How can I say that I’m not aware of any climate change in my neighborhood?

*What do you see as key climate concerns and environmental issues in <our neighborhood>?

*Are there populations that are particularly vulnerable to climate impacts in the neighborhood, and how might we help to protect them?

*What sort of education & outreach efforts would be  a good fit for your community-- talks, discussions, activities?
   For example, would you be interested in talks or workshops about any of the following topics?
   - Climate impacts on health and how you can protect yourself and your family
   - Successful gardening in a changing climate and how you can be part of the solution with climate-friendly gardening & landscaping
   - Climate impacts on agriculture and how to protect food & water security
   - How to increase the energy efficiency of your home and save up to 20% on your power bill
   - Solutions to climate change that are already available at the state, local, and individual levels
   - other ideas??

*Are there any other activities that you would like us to consider organizing?

#2

Attach an old Farmer’s Almanac to it.


#3

Suggest community tire burnings!


#4

You guys are making jokes. I’m thinking that I should try to steer the conversation toward things like this.

  • The money that our nation is wasting funding fraud.
  • The irrational fears it generates that can have a medical impact.
  • The economic horror that solutions like the Green New Deal can drive us toward.

Maybe I can propose that we have rational people give presentations that would educate us on alternative, more truthful viewpoints.

The problem is that although I’m pretty sure global warming is a wedge tool used by socialists to drive us their direction, I don’t really know enough to hold my own if I succeed in generating a “conversation” (liberals get very emotional about things like this).


#5

I appreciate your efforts. I’ve become a very cynical person when it comes to the ability of humans to change their opinions through reasoning. Slowly the educational system has removed the lesson plans that taught reasoning. If a child is going to learn to reason, they are getting it only in the home.


#6

Maybe that could be another bullet point. Recommend fighting the government’s idea of education so we can restore logic and reason to public schools. Children should be given the ability to think for themselves so they can identify fallacies inherent in the global warming debate.


#7

The climate change issue is nothing but a hoax the left is using to install a socialist government. They can’t sell socialism by discussing the benefits of it because there are still enough people who know instinctively that it doesn’t work. Only people, like my brain washed nephews, are full throated advocates of it.

Reasoning with these people is a waste of time. The minions believe the hoax because they have been taught that climate change is real, and that they can do something about it since kindergarten. Many of their leaders know that it is a means to an end.

I know that every generation is often convinced that the next one is bunch of losers, but this time it’s real. Term “progressives” is a total joke. They are actually “regressives” who advocate going back to the times before democracy and freedom when a king or emperor along with an elite ruling class controlled everything. The left does not believe in democracy; they believe in authoritarian rule. As such their ideas are thousands of years old.


#8

How does “thinking for yourself” square with “logic and reason”?

When people think for themselves they often rely upon on intuition, which while often useful, can lead to some terrible ideas.

If I’m being honest, I think the reason that some people won’t allow logic and reason to be taught is that it conflicts with ideas that are made popular through faith.

Now, I’m not trying to pass judgment (at least in this thread), just making the observation that I doubt that people of faith would be very happy if “logic and reason” were taught in school.


#9

Why not? I was taught logic and reason in HS and it didn’t “warp” anything in how I think.


#10

You cannot, reasonably apply logic and reason to matters of faith.

But, must you misquote me every single time you reply to me?

I didn’t say that logic and reason would warp anything.

I said that logic and reason don’t square well with faith. Is the story of Jonah reasonable and logical?

“Jonah was saved from drowning when he was swallowed by a “great fish.” He lived for three days inside the creature, after which the fish “vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.”

The only way to square that is to claim it’s metaphorical or simply believe that this is possible, which is neither reasonable or logical. If it is, then literally anything can be reasonable or logical in which case, nothing is.


#11

Every hear of a parable, CSB? Faith is EASILY squared with logic and reason if you’re willing to accept (OK, on faith) that much of the Bible is written in parables because it originated as oral accounts of events that an unsophisticated, unlettered people could accept and understand. It was written by POETS…not scientists.


#12

I anticipated your answer…

And yet the people that set up this page seem to disagree with you and make a pretty compelling argument from a Christian point-of-view.

So you as a Christian think it’s a parable or poetry, and this group, whoever they are, makes the case that it’s literal…

From the link:

"It’s a real story, and the reason I say that is… well, there’s a couple of reasons really.

One is that Jesus refers to it as if it happened, so He makes a parallel between Jonah spending three days in the fish and Jesus spending three days in the grave. The way He speaks of it is just as that happened to Jonah, this will happen to Him, and so I’ve got to take Jesus at his word and the historicity of Jonah is important for understanding Jesus’ own death and resurrection.

The other reason is that the narrative of Jonah itself is not mythical, it is rooted in history and time and space. Jonah is introduced as being a particular person, at a particular time, with a particular father, with a particular mission. It is not written as myth, it’s written as historical.

I gather that there’d be one or two instances in history of people being swallowed by whales and that kind of thing and being alive at the end of it. I’m sure it doesn’t happen very often, but it would seem to be possible. But the most important reason is that Jesus says that he treats it as historical fact."

The Sign of Jonah: Matthew 12:38-45
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.
42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.
43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.
44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.
45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”

Now, using logic and reason, explain to me why they are wrong about Christianity and you are right.

Now, see the conundrum you face? Insist it’s a parable, despite the “evidence” above, or admit that you were wrong and that you now believe that a man lived inside a whale for three days and that “logic and reason” can be used to confirm the validity of this story.

Here’s another that appears to take the story literally

Bottom line - Miracle, which the last time I checked, was, by definition, outside the boundaries of logic and reason. Which is why I say that logic and reason are incompatible with some of what’s in the bible because it requires people to take things of faith which is only necessary because they can’t be explained with logic and reason. See the problem?


#13

Where does the parable mention “a whale?” There are those who take every word of the Bible as literal truth. I don’t happen to be one of those and most Biblical scholars with whom I’ve come in contact don’t either.


#14

Both the Hebrew and the Greek versions of the Book of Jonah do not specifically say Jonah was swallowed by a whale, but that he was swallowed by a ketos, which in Greek means “great or large aquatic animal.”.

So is there another creature of the sea that you think is more accommodating for human transport?

As far as your decision not to take the Bible literally, how can anyone be sure about anything in the Bible if even Christians can’t agree on what it says is literal or not?


#15
  1. Logic and Reason leads to faith, no Atheist has arrived at their opinion via a logical or reasonable intellectual course.

  2. The people who sent out that survey are not interested in truth or reason in any form, any attempt to “steer the debate” toward a legitimate scientific examination will be mocked and ignored.

Trump has it right when it comes to combating the Left on any topic, mock them and point out how ridiculous, hypocritical and intellectually vacant there ideas are and then assign them a nickname that sums them up.

This tact will not move a liberal to grow a brain but it does motivate those who might otherwise buy their religious dogma to examine the evidence instead of just repeating the mantra of the morons who lead the Leftist Church of the holy lobotomy. :wink:


#16

And yet people of faith can’t agree on the literal of allegorical meaning of the stories in the Bible.

We mock what we do not understand.


#17

Logic and reason are not incompatible or hostile to faith. I don’t know about other religions but In his encyclical of 1879, Aeterni Patris, Pope Leo XIII stated that Thomas Aquinas’s theology was a definitive exposition of Catholic doctrine. I would rank Aquinas among the greatest logicians of all times including Aristotle, Averroes, Kurt Gödel, and Paul Cohen.

Logic and History are the greatest weapons against tyranny of all flavors.


#18

What does that have to do with faith or where an unbiased search will lead for everyone who embraces logic and reason?

Oh wait, never mind; your post actually proved the veracity of mine :wink:

I wish I could say I saw that coming but I would be lying, it is rarely that fast!


#19

Sometimes, but other times we mock the people we know lack the intellectual integrity to speak seriously or honestly with those they disagree with.


#20

Because one has the liberty to apply logic and reason as opposed to just accepting the official indoctrination/dogma.

Says who? Just because we can’t sort out a miracle by logic and reason (because we have insufficient data) doesn’t mean logic and reason aren’t integral with the miraculous.