Repeal and Replace, the elephant in the room: our free cheese faction


#1

If one does a little research regarding repeal and replacement of Obamacare, they will find countless articles asserting most Americans prefer Obamacare, e.g., see: Americans Prefer Obamacare

May 18th, 2017

***”Most Americans prefer the Democratic version of a health-care law to the Republican measure that’s now under consideration in the Senate.

Fifty-three percent of Americans say they favor the Affordable Care Act, passed by Democrats under President Barack Obama, to the GOP’s American Health-Care Act, passed recently by the GOP-controlled House. Only 27 percent prefer the Republican bill over the Democratic system, according to the latest survey by Public Policy Polling, a Democrat-oriented firm. This is similar to the findings of other recent polls.”***

The big problem with these polls is, when these polls are taken, they include the opinions of lazy able bodied ticks and fleas who won’t work enough hours to pay for their own health-care needs who are receiving subsidized health-care under Obamacare, and also includes the opinions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders and are likewise receiving subsidized health-care which is paid for by tax-paying American citizens in addition to receiving other tax-payer finance “benefits”.

Is there any wonder why such a “poll” would end in a majority supporting a democrat style “free-cheese” health-care reform Bill? The fact is, our country’s cheese-eating faction is now at about 50 percent of the nation’s population, and it includes millions upon millions of lazy able bodied blood suckers who are too lazy to work enough hours to pay for their own economic needs. And this is the elephant in the room which our snowflake Republicans are unwilling to remove from our federal government’s free-cheese wagon. Snowflake Republicans in Congress are far more comfortable with raising taxes from hard working American citizens, so they can use such money to buy the votes of our nation’s free-cheese faction.

I want to see some statistics in which no one is polled who is having their health-insurance and/or health-care subsidized by tax payers. I suspect that the vast majority of American citizens who had privately funded health insurance before Obamacare came along, if polled today, would want to go back to what they had, and keep the federal government’s nose out of their health-care needs and choices. But when you mix the millions upon millions of U.S. residents into a poll who are having their health-care paid for by tax-payers, of course you are going to get very different numbers.

How about referencing a poll in which the tax-payer, and only the tax-payer ___ a poll excluding tax-getters ___ is represented?

JWK


Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?***


#2

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I see our snowflake Republicans in the Senate cannot put their foot down and refuse to finance health-care for millions upon millions of able bodied individuals who won’t work enough hours to pay for their own health-care needs, and many more millions who are foreigners who likewise receive subsidized health-care which is paid for by hard working tax-paying American citizens.

When will our Republicans in Congress start protecting the interests of hard working American citizens, and cut the free cheese given to able bodied blood suckers who are too lazy to work for their own economic needs?

Have Republican members in Congress forgotten the United States government was created with a fundamental purpose which is eloquently stated as follows?

*** “Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man’s labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny.”*** ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

Why are Republicans in the Senate determined to keep a system afloat based upon robbery, theft and tyranny!

JWK

"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation." ____ Savings and Loan Association v. Topeka,(1875).


#3

I won’t lie, so far… preferring healthcare in Canada. Vive le socialism?


#4

Have you had any major illnesses or surgeries? Needed MRIs or cat scans? How long is you experience?


#5

Repeal and Replace, the elephant in the room: our free cheese faction

As johnwk has pointed out these pro-Obamacare polls are BS. Is the GOP Congress so stupid that they don’t know that:

  1. The free cheese people are never going to vote GOP no matter what they do?

  2. The millions of voter who desperately need health care plans they can afford with deductibles that allow them to use it are not going to enthusiastically flock to the polls in 2018 if the GOP fails to improve their situation?


#6

Never had any of those in the USA as well. Having an issue now, and so far appts haven’t costed me anything. Being referred to an ENT which may involve some scans that I couldn’t afford to do in the USA so… will let you know. Wait time for an ENT has been about 2 weeks, but that’s OK with me considering I couldn’t have afforded it otherwise.


#7

I don’t have any recent information to go on, but 10-15 years ago (don’t remember exactly when), I read a comparison between Canada and Tennessee. They have (or had) approximately the same populations, Canada had a higher per person income, but Tennessee had several times as many MRI machines. AT that time, iirc, the wait for MRI’s in Canada was reported in that article to be up to two years, sometimes even longer. SO I’d be very curious to learn how your experience plays out. (Hopefully much better than that.)


#8

Perhaps it was a province in Canada (or maybe the entire study was just a per capita comparison, with no control for size). Tennessee is around 1/5 the size of the Canadian population. The population of Texas could absorb TN, and would still fall short by about 1 million people.


#9

It’s been a long time since I read that piece. (Come to think it might have even been from the Clinton years, since Hillary was so keen on ‘fixing’ health care.) Maybe it was that Tennessee had as many MRI machines as Canada with a fifth of the population? Something like that which caused the author to use Tennessee for a direct comparison, and I remember being stunned that a “backwards, redneck, flyover state”* would compare so favorably to Canada’s “enlightened social paradise”*. I can’t find the article online now, and it was long enough ago that I expect those conditions no longer apply.

  • I made those phrases up, because nothing like that appeared in the article, it’s just how I interpret the general media narrative of the superiority of social democracy and the inferiority of anyone who is not a coastal elite.

#10

And tonight two more Republican Senators declared their opposition to the proposed bill - one of them being Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas. McConnell has decided to set the process aside until at least after the August recess - yes another recess.

Reportedly, now Trump is asking for a clean bill to repeal Obamacare. Too bad he didn’t ask for simply a repeal bill to begin with. Too bad this useless group of Republicans hasn’t put forth a straight Obamacare repeal bill to go into effect on a future date certain.

In short - in all likelihood repeal/replace is dead.

Now, on to tax reform. Gee, I wonder how that will be handled?

A complete and utter debacle.


#11

I’m certainly not against your sentiment, JWK, but the polls reflect more than a desire for government cheese, and they make a lot of sense to me given what I’ve observed.

I believe the polls. Although Obamacare has been widely hated, the last Republican version I’m familiar with does nothing to substantively fix our healthcare industry. Someone paying $242 per month for individual coverage today can expect (before the subsidy turns out to be a lie, and they’re on the hook for another $1,200) under the Republican bill to pay $462 per month next year. After a healthy 20-percent increase in premiums if a plan is still offered at all in whichever particular county, that same person will more likely pay something like $554 per month.

It makes it hard to support the Republican plan when you’re on an Obamacare plan no matter who you are – and that’s a price for just one person!

Of course, after paying that premium for a year, then that citizen will receive a tax credit to help pay for all the healthcare he spent the last year buying. Or if he choose not to buy insurance, he won’t be fined at least. He just won’t have insurance.

So how many hours should a person (who won’t work) work? The person in the example above works more than 50 hours per week. That household’s income is higher than the local median.

Ah, yes, he should get a public sector job and then whine about paying 5 percent of the $1,600 per month premium.

The Republicans haven’t really been offering an alternative to Obamacare, and it makes perfect sense to prefer the one that damages one’s wallet less directly.

Republicans, the supposed party of free markets and capitalism, ought to be promoting a free market capitalist industry that is affordable because it must compete. And as long as Republicans continue to promote a socialist hybrid system like their predecessors, I personally will side with Maylar.


#12

After the August recess. What a joke.

Tax cuts!! Wait, wait, doesn’t September come after August? No time for tax cuts we have to put on out act for the debt ceiling crisis in September. Make lots of noise, wait for the last minute, let the media land some punches “how dare they consider a government shutdown”. Raise it a few trillion. Fiscal year starts in October. Budget? What’s that? We been too busy with health care, taxes and debt ceiling to write our own budget. Can’t get anywhere near 50 votes for the president’s swamp draining budget; Senators have to protect their pet programs and donors. Another Continuing Resolution with all that good baseline stuff.

There it is folks, the next three months in a nutshell. I am tuning out the news for a while. Dust off some of my 40 year old research projects that almost certainly are going nowhere. Michelle Malkin nailed the label for these people: “bipartisan beltway crap weasles”.

My advice to Donald Trump: personally hire dozens of non-government investigators to dig up dirt on REPUBLICANS and make them an offer they can’t refuse.

:angry26:


#13

Largely excellent post, RWNJ - especially the part extoling virtues of the free market. At least there are a few people on this site that get it. Obamacare, in one form or another, is here to stay - until voters demand single payer. Democrats and most Republican lawmakers are statists.

Sadly, congressional Republicans will reject a clean repeal bill - there is no chance a bill to simply repeal Obamacare on a date certain and allowing enough time (2 years?) to replace it, will pass in the Senate - hell, I doubt Republican statists will even allow such a bill to come to a vote.

Elections have consequences. Both in foreign policy and on the domestic front, the elections of 2008 and 2012 have proven to be extremely consequential. Obama has been proven to be the most transformative president since Reagan - grotesque though the transformation has been.


#14

It seems you may have accepted our Washington Establishment sugar coated New-Speak. There is no such thing as “single payer”. You are talking about government confiscating your earned wages, and then returning your earned wages in a manner which dictates your personal choices and decisions regarding you health-care needs. You are talking about liberty vs economic enslavement.

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon the federal government for its subsistence, (Obamacare Subsidies) we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the bread which labor, business and investors have worked to produce.


#15

Single Payer is shorthand for government run heath care. You are preaching to the choir, JH.


#16

Of course the “polls” make sense. It always makes perfect sense when one factious group wants to use government force to confiscate another group’s economic resources to finance their personal economic needs.

And it likewise makes perfect sense when our Washington Swamp Creature Republicans constantly work with Democrats to plunder our national treasury and spread its wealth among those who donate to the Washington Swamp keepers.

Theft and robbery do make perfect sense. But the question is, are its victims willing to accept it? And in this case it is our nation’s hard working, self sufficient, tax-paying citizens who are the victims.

JWK
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80% of green energy money taxed away from the wages of hard working American Citizens WENT TO our Washington Establishment Swamp-Creature donors!***


#17

Single Payer is shorthand for government run heath care. You are preaching to the choir, JH.[/QUOTE]

Well then, let us use the proper phrasing ___ government dictated health-care!

JWK

******As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.***___***Supreme Court Justice William Douglas


#18

Really, John, I’m in no mood to deal with nonsense this morning. Find a Progressive on which to try out your nit-picking.


#19

Well, I’m sorry for making a suggestion. I didn’t mean to upset you so.

JWK

***“In matters of Power, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution”***— Jefferson


#20

As I have written elsewhere, the self evident truth is, the American People will never be better off under Obamacare or Trumpcare. To allow our federal government to meddle in the health-care needs of the people within the various state borders is to create countless national factious groups which have already proven to cause a paralysis in Washington which is destructive to our nation’s common defense and general welfare.

We need to adhere to the wisdom of our Founders and prohibit our federal government from meddling in those powers reserved to the States and people therein as summarized in Federalist Number 45:

Federalist Paper No. 45 tells us:

*“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”*

JWK


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.___ ***Tenth Amendment