Richard Fowler lies by misdirection on Foxnews about sanctuary cities


#61

No, sorry for the confusion, I didn’t quote enough of your statement. Not the issuing of the license, the voter registration with the license. That system isn’t being implemented, until two months from now.


#62

:roll_eyes:

No one I know is advocating a death sentence for politicians who are found guilty of harboring. But the should be punished and made to join the MS 13 members in jail who they are protecting from detection, and allowing to flood into our Country.


#63

It’s in your source John, I didn’t say it, they did:


#64

:roll_eyes:

No one I know is advocating a death sentence for politicians who are found guilty of harboring. But they should be punished and made to join the MS 13 members in jail who they are protecting from detection, and allowing to flood into our Country after which they have caused irreparable harm to American citizens.


#65
  1. Goal post shifting.

  2. They court gave the city an injunction, simply on the premise that depriving the funds was causing irreparable harm.

If taking away “modest funds” can do that, how the living hell are you going to justify throwing people in jail, and not get the same result?

Clearly, their definition of “irreparable harm” is alot lower than the one you’re trying to put forth here.


#66

:roll_eyes:

You are the one who brought up “irreparable harm” in this conversation. The only irreparable harm occurring is in consequence of sanctuary city politicians who command, in violation of the law, their local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with ICE Agents. Witness the murdering and mayhem in Long Island by MS 13 gang members.

Of course, anarchists like you only care about the law and “irreparable harm” when it suits your personal sense of fairness, justice and reasonableness.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968


#67

Not according to the opinion of Judge Harry D. Leinenweber you so loved quoting just a few posts ago. Depriving the funds, in his opinion, was causing irreparable harm to the City of Chicago.

Think you can find it, or do I need to highlite that too?


#68

You are the one who brought up “irreparable harm” in this conversation

The only irreparable harm occurring is in consequence of sanctuary city politicians who command, in violation of the law, their local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with ICE Agents. Witness the murdering and mayhem in Long Island by MS 13 gang members.

:roll_eyes:


#69

Judge Harry D. Leinenweber says otherwise:

Thanks for not reading your sources, John.


#70

:roll_eyes:

You are the one who brought up “irreparable harm” in this conversation. The only irreparable harm occurring is in consequence of sanctuary city politicians who command, in violation of the law, their local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with ICE Agents. Witness the murdering and mayhem in Long Island by MS 13 gang members.

Of course, anarchists like you only care about the law and “irreparable harm” when it suits your personal sense of fairness, justice and reasonableness.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968


#71

And you brought up Judge Harry D. Leinenweber, who is calling your “viewpoint” out in his opinion here.

You only have yourself to blame John.


#72

"The Court denies the City’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction with respect to the compliance condition, because the City has failed to establish a likelihood of success on the merits".

IT IS SO ORDERED.

                 Harry D. Leinenweber, Judge        United States District Court 

:roll_eyes:


#73

grant

There were two injunctions requested John, and one got through, because the city was suffering irreparable harm.

It is so ordered.


#74

And the one under discussion in this thread has to do with local elected leaders commanding local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with federal ICE Agents, which you falsely assert they may do in consequence of the Tenth Amendment. Judge Leinenweber debunked your absurd contention.

And what has the court stated about local elected leaders restricting their law enforcement officers from cooperating with our federal government?

For the answer to this question let us read Judge Harry D. Leinenweber’s recent WRITTEN OPINION dealing with 8 U.S. Code § 1373 - Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service

“The constitutionality of Section 1373 has been challenged before. The Second Circuit in City of New York v. United States, 179 F.3d 29 (2d Cir. 1999), addressed a facial challenge to Section 1373 in similar circumstances. By executive order, New York City prohibited its employees from voluntarily providing federal immigration authorities with information concerning the immigration status of any alien. Id. at 31-32. The city sued the United States, challenging the constitutionality of Section 1373 under the Tenth Amendment.

Id. at 32.

_The Second Circuit found that Section 1373 did not compel state or local governments to enact or administer any federal regulatory program or conscript local employees into its service, and therefore did not run afoul of the rules gleaned from the Supreme Court’s Printz and New York decisions. City of New York, 179 F.3d at 35. Rather, the court held that Section 1373 prohibits local governmental entities and officials only from directly restricting the voluntary exchange of immigration information with the INS. Ibid. The Court found that the Tenth Amendment, normally a shield from federal power, could not be turned into “a sword allowing states and localities to engage in passive resistance that frustrates federal programs.”

CONCLUSION:

“The Court denies the City’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction with respect to the compliance condition, because the City has failed to establish a likelihood of success on the merits”.
IT IS SO ORDERED.

Harry D. Leinenweber, Judge
United States District Court

_



#75

Nope, both of of them, both of them had to do with the city stopping the Feds from depriving them of funds.

Judge Leinenweber debunked your absurd contention. If depriving funds is irreparable harm in his eyes, throwing people in jail is never going to be something you can justify.

And hell, this was just over a grant, which is a privilege the Feds should be able to remove for any reason, yet the Judge still stopped them.

You’re never going to get your crap past his radar, when he’s registering harm at that low a level.

Face it John, you want a fantasy the courts will never support.


#76

:roll_eyes: Your are absolutely wrong. HERE IS THE PROOF


#77

You lose the argument John, the Judge said so:

"the Court grants the City a preliminary injunction against the Attorney General’s imposition of the notice and access conditions on the Byrne JAG grant.

The City has established a likelihood of success on the merits as to these two conditions and irreparable harm if an injunction does not issue, and the other two preliminary injunction factors do not sway the analysis. "

DENIED.


#78

:roll_eyes:

What is under discussion in this thread has to do with local elected leaders commanding local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with federal ICE Agents, which you falsely assert they may do in consequence of the Tenth Amendment. Judge Leinenweber debunked your absurd contention.

HERE IS THE PROOF


#79

:vb-lol: if he isn’t even willing to take Federal Money away, calling that “irreparable harm”, there is no way in hell he’d go along with throwing people in jail.

You’re peddling a pipe dream John. Debunked. By your own damn Judge.

Read your sources from now on John. Learn your lesson.


#80

What is under discussion in this thread has to do with local elected leaders commanding local law enforcement officers to not cooperate with federal ICE Agents, which you falsely assert they may do in consequence of the Tenth Amendment. Judge Leinenweber debunked your absurd contention.

HERE IS THE PROOF

:roll_eyes: