Rush Limbaugh sucks


Don’t wanna mess up the other thread where you said this, so new thread.

I’ve lost all respect for Rush. He’s virtually worthless and his turned his back on almost everything he said when Billary was president or Obama:

“Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around.”

How many years have people tried to scare everybody about [the deficit]? How many years, how many decades have politicians tried to scare us about the deficit, the national debt, (Sen. Jim Sasser pronunciation) “the dafycit,” any number of things? Yet here we’re still here, and the great jaws of the deficit have not bitten off our heads and chewed them up and spit them out.

And seven years earlier in response to a story that Obama was a responsible spender:

They are admitting that big spending is a huge problem. In pointing to this piece, “Hey, it isn’t me, it isn’t me,” they are admitting, they are accepting the premise, if you will, the Tea Party premise, our premise, that Obama’s spending is reckless, that it’s dangerous, that it is destroying the future of your kids and grandkids. That’s why the Tea Party exists. People know that this is happening. They know they’ve never seen spending like this. They know they’ve never seen indebtedness racked up this fast. They know it instinctively. That’s why the Tea Party came into existence.

He would never have supported Donald Trump had he believed the things that came out of his mouth in the 1990s while Billary was president: “Character counts,” repeated daily while America was held hostage.

But here, the bottom line is that no one except a tiny vocal minority believe that responsible fiscal policy matters. Everyone else just argues over which government programs to use to build our massive debt even higher.

It’s like Democrats and Republicans are embracing AOC’s and CSB’s modern monetary theory. So why do they bother arguing. We can spend everything we want on every single thing everyone wants. The Democrat version of it is “socialism,” but so what, deficits and debt don’t matter, and those terrible free traders and libertarians, all five of them, are obviously nuts and should stop whining.

Our politicians are utterly ridiculous. And their sycophants suck too.

I agree with your statements about the deficit, but why are you attacking Rush Limbaugh individually? Your attack is especially disappointing given that fact that Rush is probably terminally ill.

The deficit is an “impossible problem” because the only way to get at it is to cut entitlement spending, which is the “third rail of politics.” How do you plan on selling that? You can’t raise taxes to fix it. The only paths to fixing it are economic growth and a spending freeze. See how far you get in elective office if you run on cutting Social Security or any of the entitlement programs. You will be less popular than Bill Weld at the Republican National Convention.

RWNJ you know that’s not how it works. Maybe you’re just being a little tongue-in-cheek here, but if you’re going to call me out by name, at least do me the courtesy of explaining my position correctly :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Any thoughts on how to handle the situation that we’re facing now where businesses are seeing massive losses in demand thanks to the virus? How do you think the government should handle what is likely to be massive underconsumption and the layoffs to follow?

What do you think the Fed’s move to cut interest rates to near zero?

Periods like this are times when deficit spending is warranted. The trouble is we don’t do anything about the deficit, when we should be running surpluses, which should be most of the time.

So far as the Fed’s zero interest, I don’t see much advantage to it. Keyes talked about the “liquidity gap” where it didn’t matter how low the interest rate is. The economy would not respond any differently.

In my case, super low interest rates have pumped up the stock market. During “normal times” interest rates were at 3 or 4 percent, I would have had a lot less money in the stock market. The trouble is I can’t get any return on my holdings if I invest in CDs. I have a fair amount in them, but I still have too much in the stock market at my age as a retiree. I have been pounded in this stock market as has my father-in-law who is 91 years old.

I am totally opposed to Trump’s call for negative interest rates. We need to encourage people save for their retirement, and that sends the wrong message. The government does not need more elderly welfare recipients.

I had no idea he was terminally ill, or I forgot this. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make his comments, which are reflective of a mountain of Trump’s supporters I know personally, good, useful, correct or worthwhile. It does not entitle him to my concurrence when he’s wrong. It does not entitle him to escape my criticism of the things he pours out of his mouth. For the record, I have both of his books from back in the Clinton era sitting on my bookshelf. He was a tremendous spokesman for my point of view once upon a time. Now he’s dumping all over his own philosophy.

And so, we quietly acquiesce and say nothing? We join the other side, the Democrats? Cuz that’s what Trump, Rush and most Republicans appear to have done.

Yeah, that’s a problem. Like I said, there’s like five of us left who think we should avoid spending more than we receive in revenue. Doesn’t make the other 230,999,995 Americans right.

It’s good to hear you defending Rush :slight_smile: No doubt he agrees with you. Even if they still complain about overspending their money – when it’s Democrats doing the spending.

Oh, mine are quite “socialist” on this particular issue. It’s an emergency, and government is directly shutting down large portions of the economy (right or wrong – we’re either underreacting or overreacting, dunno which yet). Those folks who won’t be able to pay their bills as a result will need a hand.

But cutting interest rates and generalized stimulus won’t solve this potential downturn the same way the Keynesians argue with recessions. Aggregate demand is not the problem here at all.

As for explaining yours and AOC’s position on deficit spending and its limits. I’ll leave you to explain the finer details when the Dems and Reps have gone further than you folks can stand :grinning: .

Yeah, I agree in this situation. But we’ve spent ourselves a really big whole during the greatest economy and longest growth period in history.

Yah, zero was never going to be good enough for him. He thinks cutting interest rates by central planning committee is an “I win” button for economics. And you’re right, it’s the wrong message. Free markets send their own messages loudly and clearly – right up until we cloud them up with our political meddling.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your situation in the stock market.

So, here’s an interesting paradox.

Let’s say we spend a significant amount of resources to stop the spread of the virus. Closing restaurants, theaters, schools, no college or pro sports etc, etc…

Tell me, if things go pretty well and things don’t get that bad, how can you tell the difference between over reaction or drastic measures made the difference?

No idea what Rush has said, so I can’t affirm or deny that.

And that’s the point, isn’t it?

They sure will…The deficit/ debt is going to skyrocket as a result. Any predictions on the result?

For hopefully the LAST time, Social Security and Medicare are NOT “entitlements” in the sense that other “entitlements” are in the federal budget. I suppose they are in the sense that those of us who’ve contributed to them for a lifetime are “entitled” to get those contributions back…with interest. When you equate SS and Medicare to welfare, WIC, AFDC, housing subsidies, food stamps, etc. you’re making a mistake in nomenclature.

If giving up my Social Security payments were part of an overall solution to the deficit, I would do that as piece of the puzzle to fix the problem. Medicare is another issue. Medical expenses can bankrupt you very easily. Some sort of catastrophic system is needed.

Although it’s not covered under Medicare, medicine can keep people alive for extended periods of time who have no quality of life. e.g Confined to a bed with dementia. Care for these people costs over
$9,000 a month. That too can bankrupt you very quickly.

As for the other stuff, it amazes me how many people can’t feed their kids. They have money for tattoos, drugs and booze, but their kids have to be on free lunch programs that are now being extended to summer like program because of the corona virus. If you tried to cut these people off, you would hear the screams from one end of the country to another.

I don’t know how you can fix this from the political perspective. You can’t convince people to give up “free stuff.” If anything, they want more of as demonstrated by the continuing support for the Democratic Socialist Party.

Character counts.

In my life I never even dreamed there could be a President with such impeccable character that even with the most connected and well financed coalition of information gatherers in history working non stop for 4 years cannot unearth a single credible charge against a President who has been the most public of CEO’s in history over numerous interests worldwide; billions of dollars in deals and thousands of employees all offered countless bribes to produce tangible evidence of ANYTHING without so much as a parking ticket unpaid.

I know of nobody including myself that could survive even a fraction of such scrutiny not to mention his unwavering commitment to his campaign promises regardless of support from even his own Party; if character counts then Trump beats everybody.

As far as the debt is concerned I have given up on thinking anyone will purchase a calculator, suffice to say that it cannot be addressed by cutting spending; it can ONLY be addressed by a massive reorganization of government that removes the power of the unelected bureaucracies and grows the economy rapidly.

Trump is doing that against near unanimous opposition but it will take many years to bear the fruit of debt reduction; much like FDR’s actions took many years to tank us. The key is to set the structure in place that will reap the benefits by it’s own inertia; there is no better economic mind that I know of to meet such a task than President Trump.

There is nothing hypocritical about opposing trillion dollar deficits when Obama ran them without a budget and grew only the government status quo while supporting Trumps deficit WITH a budget that is designed to restore the private sector and diminish government authority over the economy.

It took over 75 years to build this behemoth and it may take 75 more to right the damage that it caused; believing in some fast food solution that is simply a mathematical and political impossibility is anyone’s right to choose but no such solution can achieve anything but perpetuating the status quo.

Rush has abandoned nothing under Trump, his context is consistent and he does opose several Trump strategies while recognizing that for the most part Trump is far and away the best hope that has ever risen for the Conservative Ideology.


If I could give you more than one like/rep on this post I would @RET423.

I don’t know a lot about the dafucit as some democrat used to call it…and I know that President Trump can’t fix it in a few short years…but it is amazing what he has done in spite of the plots and schemes and lies and traps and coups he has had to fight against.

now for those who are unhappy with the first four years in spite of promises kept then I say to you…looking at the democrat field…what’s your option. You want to put a democrat who is for open border, abortion on demand and ameircans pay for it, free everything, no guns, citizenship for anyone crossing this border and then give them free stuff at our expense, No oil, and that means no to a lot of other things, taking one million cars off the road and putting all our money in wind and solar? oh yeah…good ideas that will bring us to our knees in less than a year.


I agree with @Caroline. I wish I had more hearts than one, or there was a super heart @RET423’s post. Many people don’t like Trump’s demeanor, but when you look at the viciousness of his opponents, what else can he do? His opponents have never given him a chance.

Imagine if Trump had had a normal Congress. Image if someone other than Paul Ryan had been heading up his first a Congress. Imagine if he had had the Congress that FDR had in his first term. Given what Trump has faced from the political barbarians in the Democrat Party, it’s remarkable what he has done. No we have this crisis which gives him yet another hurdle to climb with great political peril at every turn.


There needs to be a revision in high school and college civics classes. We were taught that there were three branches of government, the executive, legislative and judiciary.

Now there are four, which includes the bureaucracy. These unelected public servants are supposed to carry out the will of the Congress and the President with occasional guidance of the Judiciary. Unfortunately, they have taken a life of their own and are barely accountable to anyone. It’s only when they get totally out of line that anything is done about them, and then the wheels of justice grind very slowly to correct their misdeeds.

Like the Judiciary, they have virtual lifetime appointments because of the civil service laws. Removing them is difficult for mere incompetence. Malfeasance speeds up the process, but only a little.

Most disturbing is the fact the bureaucracies have gotten directly involved in elective politics. The recent abuse of the FISA process is the most glaring example. The warning that we all need to take from this is that we are headed toward a police state if we allow this to go unchecked. When the FBI and Justice Departments get involved in prosecuting who they perceive as their political opponents, democracy cannot last for long.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not against all civil service laws. In the 19th century people who were doing their jobs well were routinely removed from office every time there was a change in the political party that controlled the presidency. Reform was needed, but now the scales have gone too far in the other direction. We had best haul in this monster before it devours our Constitutional rights.


Ya can’t.

“Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around.”

How many years have people tried to scare everybody about [the deficit]? How many years, how many decades have politicians tried to scare us about the deficit, the national debt, (Sen. Jim Sasser pronunciation) “the dafycit,” any number of things? Yet here we’re still here, and the great jaws of the deficit have not bitten off our heads and chewed them up and spit them out.

One of them.



“Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around.”

Fiscal Conservative does not mean “calculators are evil and circumstances are irrelevant”.

Rush chooses his words carefully; and he knows what those words mean.