Senate Republicans release their socialist/communist health-care plan


SEE: What’s in the Senate Republican health-care bill

Well, our Republican Party Leadership has been lying all the time. They never intended to repeal Obamacare. In fact, our Republican Party Leadership not only proposes to keep Obamcare alive, but it will continue to use the force of federal taxation to confiscate the earned wages of one group of citizens to finance the health-care needs of another group, not to mention hard working wage earners will also be taxed $BILLIONS which will be transferred into the coffers of the insurance industry.

The Senate Bill proposes to confiscate working people’s earned wages [How else can the Senate Bill be paid for?] which will then be transferred to other groups via subsidies, tax credits and the expansion of Medicaid, even though there is no grant of power in the wording of our federal constitution allowing the federal government to enter the States and meddle in the people’s health-care needs and choices.

The Senate’s proposal will in fact create a number of factious groups who are tax getters, and they will, if the Senate Bill becomes law, forever have a vested financial interest which competes with our nation’s general welfare ___ those matters concerning national security “external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce”. These factious groups’ interest will also be different from those who are taxed to finance the Senate’s desire to meddle in the people’s health-care needs and choices.

To avoid these kinds of political factions on a national scale ___ tax-payers vs tax-getters ___ our wise founders refused to delegate a power to Congress over those “… objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” See, Federalist No. 45

Having violated our Constitution and usurped powers not granted, a number of factious groups have already been created by Congress which now threaten mayhem and destruction should their free government cheese be ended. Have we not witnessed these very groups today protesting around the Capitol complex?

And who are some of the actors included in these type of tax-getter protests? Federally subsidized health-care recipients; federally subsidized food stamp recipients; federally subsidized Section Eight Housing recipients; federally funded unemployment benefit recipients; federally funded student loans and grant recipients; and millions of foreigners who have invaded our borders who are also the recipients of free government cheese.

To those who are sincerely concerned about the direction our country is headed, I strongly suggest you take the time to study FEDERALIST NUMBER 10 which in part deals with controlling the violence of factious groups.


American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


It’s absolutely amazing that a Republican health-care proposal would use the federal government’s taxing authority to confiscate a working person’s earned wages which are then transferred to our nation’s fat cat insurance industry. This is the same kind of money laundering operation Obama engaged in with his green energy crap which was a massive transfer of money taxed away from hard working wage earners which was redistributed to democrat donors! The fact is, 80% of green energy money taxed away from hard working American Citizens WENT TO Obama’s donors!

Now tell me the Republican Party Leadership and Democrat Party Leadership do not work hand in hand to steal the earned wages of labor.


[SIZE=5]***“To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and buildup private fortunes [in the Republican Party’s beloved insurance industry] is ******none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation.”***____ Savings and Loan Assc. v.Topeka,(1875).


If we don’t reverse our federal government’s tax-payers vs tax-getters redistribution policies, we will surely suffer the same fate as Venezuela,Chile, the UK, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the people’s inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have decided to use government force to steal the product of one person’s labor which is then transferred to another group to be used for their personal economic needs, which is an immoral use of government force.

Let us not forget that we were warned about “democracy” by John Adams, a principle force in the American Revolutionary period who pointed out “democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; andwhen by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will berevengeful, bloody, and cruel…”

We have allowed our constitutionally limited Republican Form of Government to take on the deadly characteristics of a “democracy” ___ a mob rule system of government which is unbound by our written Constitution ___ and the predictable deadly consequences of democracy become more apparent as each day passes.

Madison, in Federalist No. 10 says in reference to democracy they "…have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”


The unavoidable truth is, the Bernie Sanders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.


There’s nothing ‘amazing’ about the Republican party betraying their base. It’s s.o.p. for republicans to promise to repair the damage done by democrats’ terrible ideas only to expand on the idea and the damage.


The individual mandate was an outrageous affront to market and individual freedom. How is the Republican Senate’s solution (forcing companies and individuals to wait 6 months before doing business together) any less offensive? Or the House’s idea to put a 30% surcharge on people who have been without insurance? These are the “conservative” ideas we’ve been waiting for?


I guess I better buy some ice skates… :smiley:


If ever a rock and a hard place then this is it:

There is NO, NONE right to healthcare, this is an individual responsibility. Can and should the State/Federal REMOVE barriers to obtaining healthcare? YES! Then entire process should be looked at hard and any rule that prohibits or prevents the free market access to healthcare at any level should be gone effective immediately if not sooner…

There must be full and open competition and I see no compelling reason why states should be involved. Healthcare is not a state function, it is a national function and the primary if not the only role the Feds should play is insuring fair practices, free market adherence and insuring that NO company ever gets to large to fail!

But for the Feds to create a healthcare program it is only doomed for failure for there is no known scenario that can put it on a viable footing and the costs to administer a federal program exceed the costs by magnitudes. When the Administration is conducted by workers who suffer no ill effects from any and all wrong doing then failure and out of control costs are the only result…see VA!


It’s amazing that anyone goes along with such a disastrous concept at all. But we knew this was coming.

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Sadly there are only 2 solutions:

Universal healthcare or go back to the system we have and has worked very well. The Dims run around saying not everyone has health insurance and of course this is true but I as a conservative say: No you don’t insurance but you are not by law denied healthcare, so maybe you don’t have a policy on paper but you still have healthcare.

This is the typical view of the left. Healthcare Insurance is nothing but a PROCESS of obtaining healthcare, the results of no insurance vs insurance are the same, healthcare. The reason why the poor don’t have a insurance policy is because they don’t work, they have no income except from the govt and that is $98 M people. But they still have healthcare.

Process vs Results. See it in the thread “Republicans are Weak”. The Dims focus on who said what and the conservatives focus on the results of what they said, process vs results.

There is no scenario on earth that can give insurance policies to the so called poor and not have you and I pay for it.

The thinking that leads to Universal Healthcare is this: There is a leak in the boat and we fixed it with a patch called "no one denied healthcare. But some on the boat said that was not good enough, its still leaking. So they patched it again with a Medicaid patch. But the same people the leakers said no, its still leaking and what we want is to patch the whole boat…and that is how you get to UHC system. Does the boat still leak? Sure because now no one cares if it leaks because someone else is responsible and will fix it again, but that never happens, look at any country that has tried it.


There’s only one solution: Capitalism. Universal healthcare only looks like a solution compared to the extreme idiocy of Obamacare and Obamacare 2.2.


Sheer confusion coming from the White House. Trump has called the same bill “mean” and “great.” Pitiful.


Well, he’s RIGHT. The bill IS “mean”–if you take the word to be the synonym of “average.” I’m still trying to come to terms as to WHERE in any of the founding documents “health care” is even MENTIONED, let alone enshrined as a “right.” If it’s not stated or even implied in the Constitution then, by virtue of the 10th Amendment, if falls under the purview of the STATES or INDIVIDUALS and not the feds. The BEST solution is to simply DO AWAY WITH Obamacare once and for all and return to the system that existed the day BEFORE it became law…period.


While I agree 101% the ole problem raises it ugly head…reality. Trump may slow Socialist train, but not gonna stop it, even if he goes 2 terms. The US is screaming full speed ahead towards a socialist experiment. And because of the way its sold it starts out great and everyone loves it except guys like me and maybe you and some others but I would say if we put to a vote today:

Would you like to move the US onto a Socialist based country? Yes or No.

Not sure we have enough votes to say No and win, in fact sure that we don’t.

Look for this to be the upcoming ‘word’: Universal - Healthcare, Basic Income, Equal Housing, Equal Pay and anything else they can dream up for the people’s paradise…

But what you will not see or hear:

“From Each According to His Ability, To Each According to His Needs” Karl Marx


Yeah. No one who will drain the swamp can win an election, at least not enough of them. I think some folks, like Justin Amash, would and do their best.


Back on topic:

  1. The bill sucks. The government has no business getting involved in this.

  2. They don’t have 60 votes to repeal. Not even close.

  3. If they don’t pass the bill the tax cuts cannot be done.

  4. If they don’t pass the tax cuts the economy will tank.

  5. If the economy tanks the GOP goes with it in November 2018 and probably November 2020 too.

  6. Taken as a whole, the GOP is a bunch of turds.

  7. They aren’t going to be swept away by a new conservative movement and/or saviour.

  8. They will be swept away by the radical statists.

  9. Once they are back in power they aren’t going to let it slip away a second time.

Support the damn bill!


You are absolutely correct. There is no wording in our federal Constitution, nor found in the debates during which time our Constitution was framed and ratified to remotely suggest Congress is vested with a power to tax for, spend on and meddle in the people’s health-care needs and choices within the various state borders. And this very fact is evidence our Republican Party Leadership is in bed with the Democrat Party Leadership in usurping and exercise this power which opens the door for countless federal money laundering schemes and corruption, not to mention how many more factious groups it creates which most assuredly will contribute huge campaign contributions during election times. The more factious groups our federal government can create, the more money flows during federal elections. Why can’t the people see how corrupt the leaders of both political parties have become?


Millions of citizens have lost their health-care under Obamacare, and many more millions now cannot use Obamacare because of Obamacare’s outrageous premiums and deductibles. Repeal and replace Obamacare with nothing, and repeal McCarran-Ferguson.


It took decades to get us into this $#!+ hole and it will take a long time to get out. It is a fact of life that ACA cannot be repealed. The current bill is a small step in the process. It eliminates the employer mandates and a lot of the costs. Dreaming about what should be done is just that…dreaming.


The ACA CAN be repealed. All it takes is for the House and Senate “leadership” to bring it up for a vote. Of course, McConnell will have to do away with the “filibuster rule” and the silly, UNconstitutional system of requiring 60 votes in the Senate for cloture. He did it for the confirmation of Justice Gorsuch and he SHOULD do it for every bill that crosses his desk. To HELL with the Democrats. If they aren’t willing to HELP, they can sit on their butts and WATCH while we MAGA!


Even if he could be persuaded to do so, McConnell cannot eliminate the filibuster rule until the first day of the next Senate session in January 2018. The cloture rule is not unconstitutional it is a freely self imposed rule of the Senate.

McConnell didn’t eliminate the cloture rule for the Supreme court nomination, Harry Reid did it a few years back.


WRONG, OD. Reid eliminated it for all appointments EXCEPT for the Supreme Court. McConnell expanded it to INCLUDE the SC nominees. The 60-vote “rule” IS unconstitutional because it allows tyranny of the minority…as we’re seeing now. It should be scrapped. Either that or REQUIRE that anyone declaring a filibuster MUST actually filibuster–until they drop in their tracks from exhaustion if necessary. No more of this nonsense about declaring a “filibuster” and then moving on to other business because the 60-vote threshold can’t be met.