I heard Paul Washer of the Paul David Washer - Heartcry Missionary Society say something to the effect of television is nothing but filth. He said some say they watch nothing but sports and his reply was, “Yes, but do you fast forward through the filth of the commercials?” I have always noticed the sensuality and language of commercials are absolute pornography, but even more so after I heard Washer say this. Also, Hawaii Five 0 had a commercial the other day advertising guns and buns and showed practically naked woman from behind walking away. What capped it off was last Friday’s disappointed and absolutely disgusting display of politically correct pushing of tolerance and accepting of homosexuality along with anti-Christian and anti-Catholic slants. Yes, Paul Washer is right.
“Toleranance and acceptance” of homosexuality is “absolutely disgusting”? You and I don’t believe in the same Jesus.
You are correct.
Tolerance, forgiveness and mercy are values espoused by Jesus that I admire above all others. THAT’s the Jesus I believe in.
One is born with one’s sexual orientation - it is God-given. What one does with one’s sexual orientation is a choice that is influenced by one’s views of morality, decency and faithfulness. I know many same-sex couples that have remained faithful to each other for decades, even as the Bible thumpers insist they’re perverts just like those who hang out in bathhouses. I think monagamy is a virtue, and am willing to look at people as individuals without getting on my high horse to label them as “disgusting” without differentiation. Not everyone is fortunate enough to experience true love. I think it’s a blessing. And believe that Jesus would agree.
I realized I missed two points. I feel like I’ve been up all night. First, while I was addressing commercials in general, I was primarily writing about Cealis. Also, while Hawaii Five 0 advertised the "guns and buns, " it was Blue Bloods which had the homosexual theme.
The one I believe in forgives as well, but also called for people to repent and trust on Him. God despises sin so much and poured out His wrath toward sin and Christ’s head in order for God to forgive us. Christ went to the cross willingly in submission to the Father’s will. Christ wants us to be forgiven, the Father wants us to be forgiven, and the Holy Spirit who dwells within the believer convicts believers of sin they commit so they will confess and repent. So, yes, all three of the Trinity espouse forgiveness.
Forgiveness does not entail continuing in willful rebellion toward God. It entails repentance, confession, and faith.
Try reading the Sermon on the Mount. In particular, notice where Jesus affirms the Law of Moses, and then think on what that means and includes.
Perversions are never of God. Homosexuality, pedophilia, fetishes, lesbianism, and other aberrant sexual proclivities are not of God, Jazz. If you want to justify homosexuality, you cannot say that God or Jesus has sanctified those actions because there is too much biblical proof of the opposite. You are an intelligent man, please do not equate your opinions with biblical truths.
[QUOTE=John 8:10-11]10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.[/QUOTE]
Please friends, Jazz just tries to stir up trouble for the Christian, and personally I am sick of it. All I can say is “please don’t feed the monkeys.”
It’s hardly my place (or anyone else’s) to judge how God or Jesus will view anyone’s lifestyle. My concerns are solely (i) how I act towards others and (ii) how the secular law is applied to the citizens of this country. God may condemn homosexuals without differentiation, but I will not. I act toward others based on whether their behavior is destructive or constructive, selfish or caring. YES, I draw a distinction between promiscuous gays in the bathhouse and the monagamous couple that lives next door. EVEN IF GOD WILL CONDEMN THEM BOTH. I am not God, and it violates my own sense of morality, fair play and common decency to condemn folks who I believe are living moral, constructive lives.
Similarly, YES I will continue to fight against the imposition of “God’s law” onto the civil law. I could care less, when it comes to the law, whether God condemns the monagamous couple next door. They have as much right to the equal protection of the law, including the right to marry under the civil law, as you or I do. And YES, it deeply offends me when God’s little enforcers on earth raise a holy stink that gays should not enjoy the same protections under the law that you and I do.
I am not trying to “stir up trouble for Christians”, njc. I am not an atheist seeking to undermine or belittle your religious faith; indeed I am one of your own. But I am sick and tired of CERTAIN Christians viewing themselves as God’s proxies and demanding the imposition of religous morality without regard to folks’ rights under the civil law. Especially when those folks are my friends and neighbors, and I daresay lead more caring and constructive lives then some of the “Christians” who self-righteously condemn them.
Jazz, is it your opinion that what is in the Scriptures is not true? Or, do you believe that the Scriptures have to be re-interpreted in the light of the times? I am at a loss as to your rationale. I don’t see any solid basis for what you say, but I respect your right to hold the views that you do. But, I would like to hear of what you base your views. If you do not give serious consideration to biblical truths, of what do you give serious consideration? Is it solely what you perceive as “rights” given us in the Constitution?
There are some shows I do not watch for the sheer reason that they just try to mainstream bad behavior. That is not saying they can not have a gay character in the show but if the highlight of the show is the gay character I will watch something else.
Jazz, is it your opinion that what is in the Scriptures is not true?
All I can do, CT, is to live my own life the best I can. Yes, I sinned as Fornicater before I married, but I’ve never counselled a loved one to have an abortion, never engaged in a homosexual act, and still love the woman I married all those years ago back when I was a filthy Fornicator. I have a ton of flaws, but I guess I’ll just have to keep trying to do what I think is right and take my chances with the Man Upstairs.
Although I admire those qualities that you have expressed, they do not answer the question I asked. Will you answer it? I’ve tried to answer all the questions you’ve posed to me.
We are all sinners in need of the Savior. We all fall short of the glory of God, thus deserve to go to Hell except for the fact Christ bore our sins on the cross.
But, What about CT’s question?
Regarding taking your chances, I am afraid if those chances do not entail repentance, belief and faith in Jesus Christ and everything He did and that He is the only way to the Father, the only result is eternal torment in Hell.
Better is open rebuke
than hidden love.
David beautifully expressed this holy desire in Psalm 139:23,24: “Search me, O God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” The last thing in David’s mind was his self-image. It’s out of love for Christ that believers desire to hear about their own sin. It’s out of love for self that people refuse to hear about their own sin, and refuse to help others escape their sin.
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
Dr. Bobby Conway explains the need to address sin.**
The Emergent Church on SIN - GNL:Christian Videos
First of all, I agree completely with what RW said:
We are all sinners in need of the Savior. We all fall short of the glory of God,
And the number one sin, IMO, is the sin of pride. That’s one against which most of us need to fight every day.
No, I do not believe the words of the Bible to be false. Obviously, I am not as hung on literalism as some folks here. I am a Christian, but not a fundamentalist Christian. I believe in the Man and his Message. Jesus is the Son of God, which is a nice thing to know, but more importantly He is the greatest moral philosopher of all time. It is His message that requires me to stand up for civil rights, including for homosexuals. Literalists are hung up on a Biblical passage that declares homosexual behavior to be an abomination. I prefer to listen to Jesus’s message to speak out in favor of the oppressed. I am certainly not going to pile on in that repression, as do many here who dismiss all homosexuals, even my neighbors who they’ve never met, as perverts. Yes, I think that’s un-Christian, even as they will quote some stray piece of Scripture ("Better is open rebuke . . . ") to justify their nasty and uncharitable words.
Again, it is Jesus’ message, the big picture message, that I care about. I hope that answers your question.
Finally, I have no expectation of salvation, because of what RW said above. Like I said, all I can do is try my level best and in the end my fate is in the hands of the Man Upstairs.
You wrote about Jesus speaking in favor of the oppressed. We are all oppressed. The number one oppressor of mankind is sin. Sin is what has separated us from God and sin is what will send us to Hell. Yet, Jesus lived the sinless life we could not and suffered the wrath we deserve. The wrath God has against sin, to include homosexuality and, yes, pride was poured out on Christ’s head when he hung on the cross. This and only this is why we can even approach God in prayer. This and only this is why we can have everlasting life with the Father rather than eternal torment in Hell. Pointing out sin and encouraging people to repent, basically showing them how to avoid eternal torment in Hell and be with the Father for eternity is not hatred. I can’t think of a greater love except for what God has for us and what Christ has for us given the fact He suffered for us. If the name calling such as perverts wouldn’t be a part of it, would you support a Christian lovingly telling a homosexual that homosexuality is a sin and repentance and faith in Christ will lead to everlasting life? This is not nasty and uncharitable. It is what God commands us to do. The Great Commission is to spread the Gospel.