The Conservative Case AGAINST Marco Rubio


#1

by John Hawkins

 
Caroline's remark:   I wrote Rubio three times when he was in the Gang of Eight on the illegal alien immigration issue.  With the last note I sent to him I told him he had lost whatever support he may have had from me in the future.   He pulled the wool over the tea party that was instrumental in getting him elected.  He pulled the wool over the eyes of his constituents when he went over to the gang of eight and he's pulling the wool over our eyes now on this illegal alien immigration issue.   HE WILL give them amnesty.   And he'll do it OVER our objections.  

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Marco Rubio may not be a squish on most issues, but it doesn’t change the fact that his Gang-of-8 Amnesty Bill is unforgivable. Nobody would be campaigning harder against Marco Rubio today than Marco Rubio back in 2010 when he desperately needed to convince Tea Partiers he was tough on immigration to get elected. You could write a whole article on how bad Rubio’s bill was (In fact, [I did](http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/the-ugly-truth-about-marco-rubio-and-his-gang-of-eight-amnesty-bill/)), but let me cut to the chase for you.


 A)Rubio’s sell-out on immigration was the biggest betrayal of conservatives since George Bush’s dad said, *“Read my lips, no new taxes”* and then raised taxes. How do you trust Rubio on any issue after he so blatantly lied on immigration? Rubio running for President today is like Benedict Arnold running for President in 1788.

 B) The Gang-of-8 Bill was little more than a Democrat wish list with a couple of bells and whistles slapped on to give cover for squishy Republicans to support it as well. The bill legalized illegals before adding in any kind of security and despite Rubio’s dishonest hype, it would have done little to secure the border. Between giving citizenship to illegal aliens and massive increases in legal immigration, Rubio’s bill would have demographically marginalized conservatism in America. 

 If Rubio becomes President and implements something like his Gang-of-8 Bill, then liberals will be destined to win in the future on every issue that matters. I’m not someone who believes you win in politics by losing, but it’s entirely possible that 4-8 years of Hillary Clinton decimating the country and stacking the Supreme Court would do far less damage to the country than the immigration plan Marco Rubio would likely implement if he becomes President. 


 C) Rubio’s excuses for his betrayal are ridiculous. Oh, we have ISIS now; so we have to secure the border. Well, we had Al-Qaeda then. Stopping that terrorist organization from getting across the border wasn’t important? Rubio also claims that he gave the Democrats almost everything they wanted in hopes that the House would improve the bill. In other words, Rubio was willing to turn the Senate bill into little more than Barack Obama’s wish list in hopes that John Boehner of all people would negotiate a tough conservative plan? You’d have to be dumber than Meghan McCain to believe that the same guy who caved every time he went up against Obama was going to come up with a great bill after Rubio made him negotiate from a position of weakness. In actuality, Rubio was hoping the pro-amnesty leadership of the House would ignore the Hastert rule and would push an immigration bill through with a few moderate Republicans and all the Democrats helping out. When a guy shoves a knife in your back that deeply and won’t even come clean about it, how do you trust him?

 D) Even today, Rubio fully admits that he wants to give citizenship to illegal aliens – and that’s during a Presidential race. You really think that sounds like someone who is going to get tough on illegal immigration or build a wall if he gets elected? Keep in mind that if Rubio becomes President and is perfect in every other way, but is lying on illegal immigration again, it means the end of the conservative movement in America. Choosing him as our nominee would be like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the chamber. 

 Of course, the Republicans in the establishment are happy to play that game and have decided that “Lil Jeb” is their chosen candidate. In large part, that’s because they expect him to betray conservatives on amnesty again, but it’s also because they don’t believe Rubio will shake things up too much. They don’t think he’ll roll back Obamacare, they don’t think he’ll kick any connected consultants off the gravy train, they don’t believe he’ll listen to those “wackobirds” that John McCain hates so much. After the most radical President in American history has stomped all over the Constitution for 8 years to drag the country to the Left, is it worth risking the country on someone backed by the establishment Republicans because they believe he’s a go-along-to-get-along status quo candidate? 

 Oh, but the establishment Republicans say Rubio is the most electable candidate. Of course, that’s what they always say about whoever their golden boy happens to be. It’s what they said about Dole, McCain and Romney. They were wrong about them and they’re wrong about Rubio, too.

 Don’t get the wrong idea. Rubio could certainly win, but he probably wouldn’t be as electable as Cruz or God help us all, even Kasich despite his solid head-to-head numbers against Hillary. 

 Why?

 Keep in mind that Rubio can’t win a general election unless he gets the support of the 30-35% of GOP voters that currently support Donald Trump. Do you really think that after supporting Trump for months, those voters are going to fall in line behind an establishment candidate who is best known for betraying the people who supported him to push amnesty and open borders? Moreover, consider the fact that 60% of GOP voters have consistently been going for the outsider candidates (Trump, Cruz and Carson). Do you really think all those people are going to shrug off this entire crazy primary season and eat the same old crap sandwich from the establishment again? 

 Beyond that, although Rubio is generally a solid debater, he turned in one of the worst debate performances anyone has seen with his “Robot Rubio” performance. What if it happens again in a general election debate? He’s also generally very scripted, inauthentic and his pathetic non-response to every genuine attack on his record is , “That’s a lie.” Furthermore, maybe we should consider the fact that a candidate who wants the NSA to snoop on our phone records, showed terrible judgment in supporting the overthrow of Libya and who comes off like he can’t wait to get in another ground war in the Middle East isn’t going to be wildly popular with the American electorate in 2016. 

 It has been an unpredictable election season and we still don’t know who the GOP nominee will be. However, if it turns out to be a guy who did the same thing to conservatives on immigration that Jane Fonda did to the troops during Vietnam, the Republican Party will richly deserve to lose.

#2

Today Trump will win in Nevada, hopefully Rubio will come in 3rd. A week from today Cruz is odds on favourite to win the Texas primary followed by Trump with Rubio a distant 3rd; Trump has substantial leads in all of the other eight states voting on March 1st. Things can change but Rubio is not predicted to win Florida in 3 weeks and Kasich is not predicted to win Ohio on the Ides of March. I really think that the RINOs are going to meet their Waterloo this year.


#3

As simply an objective observation - it is interesting that many folks will gladly ignore/wilfully overlook Trump’s past liberal positions on several key issues and his recently stated support of Planned Parenthood and the KELO decision, but these same people are so eager to give Rubio’s campaign the “death sentence” for his past stance with the gang of 8.


#4

[quote=“MDMikeB, post:3, topic:48328”]
As simply an objective observation - it is interesting that many folks will gladly ignore/willfully overlook Trump’s past liberal positions on several key issues and his recently stated support of Planned Parenthood and the KELO decision, but these same people are so eager to give Rubio’s campaign the “death sentence” for his past stance with the gang of 8.
[/quote]I’ve never been to planned parenthood. I’ve never been forced out of my house against my will(and compensated at 2x market value). I have, however, had to squeeze between a gaggle of unwashed Mexicans loitering around Food Lion - on an almost a weekly basis.

Two of them, I am aware of, because people talk about them, and write about them. One, I am aware of, because I see it with my own eyes, hear it with my own ears, smell it with my own nose, and occasionally, feel it, as it greasily slides across my own skin. And I get that full sensory reminder on a regular basis when I go out.

Guess which one matters more to me?


#5

Might I suggest you cease loitering outside Food Lion and take your business to Piggly Wiggly. LMAO.

Seriously, given the mood of the electorate I think Rubio would move to secure the border.

My bigger issue with Rubio is his stated position favoring the trade agreement.


#6

**"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."**
~Martin Niemoller

Ever consider voting for what’s in the best interest of the whole country?

I have, however, had to squeeze between a gaggle of unwashed Mexicans loitering around Food Lion - on an almost a weekly basis.

Two of them, I am aware of, because people talk about them, and write about them. One, I am aware of, because I see it with my own eyes, hear it with my own ears, smell it with my own nose, and occasionally, feel it, as it greasily slides across my own skin. And I get that full sensory reminder on a regular basis when I go out.

Guess which one matters more to me?

Putting a stop to illegal immigration is ALSO in the best interests of our country. Considering Cruz wants to address that firmly, along with the other two, guess which candidate I think matters more to our whole country, rather then just my own, personal, grievance.

And, jftr, “my own, personal grievance” comes with MUCH more anger than simply having to walk passed illegals. If that were the case, I’d almost feel lucky.


#7

Cha-ching! lol

Seriously, given the mood of the electorate I think Rubio would move to secure the border.

He’s got too many palms to cross for that to happen.

My bigger issue with Rubio is his stated position favoring the trade agreement.

I’ve got a lot of issues with Rubio:
Favoring illegal immigration
Favoring the Trade Agreement
Favoring Common Core
Favoring the NSA collecting and storing all info on individuals
Favoring sticking a knife in the back of the very people who got him elected.


#8

I have made a subjective judgement that Rubio’s changing opinions on immigration are politically calculated and Trump’s changed position on abortion is genuine and his position on eminent domain is something I can live with. Like any subjective judgement, it could be wrong. Everyone has to decide for themselves.


#9

I’m unaware of Rubio having any changing opinions on immigration.
I’m unaware of Trump having any changing opinion on gov’t-funded Planned Parenthood.
Trump’s position on eminent domain is something I’d have a VERY hard time living with.

Yes, everyone has to decide for HIMself. (ahem. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)


#10

[quote=“2cent, post:6, topic:48328”]
Ever consider voting for what’s in the best interest of the whole country?
[/quote]I know what’s best for me. It’s really quite impossible for me to say for sure what’s best for the whole country. We’re a pretty diverse group. Perhaps you know better than other people, what’s in their best interest. I’ll vote my interest and hope that what works for me, works for everyone. Ultimately, I cannot know what is best for others. They’ve lived different lives than me, had different upbringings, have different wants, needs, and perspectives. They know what’s best for them, better than I do. Perhaps you’re in a stronger position than I am.

[quote=“2cent, post:6, topic:48328”]
Putting a stop to illegal immigration is ALSO in the best interests of our country. Considering Cruz wants to address that firmly, along with the other two, guess which candidate I think matters more to our whole country, rather then just my own, personal, grievance.
[/quote]This was aimed at Rubio, not Cruz. I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Cruz is solid ideologically, and he’s my second choice.


#11

My poor choice of words. Of course, you are right, Rubio has not changed his opinions on immigration. He has sought to obfuscate them, distort the views of other candidates and project his image as tough on immigration.

As to your last comment:

Sexist!

:wave:


#12

Get back to me when Cruz becomes your FIRST choice. I will stand by the ONLY candidate who has steadfastly stood behind the U.S. Constitution as it was INTENDED by the founders and those who passed subsequent amendments.


#13

Exactly, we got where we are by people deciding to vote only for “their own personal interest” instead of preserving the Constitution so we and our posterity can have the Liberty to make our lives what we wish them to be.

To those who only ask “What’s in it for me” I always say “Tyranny, blood and horrors if your type ever becomes a consistent majority”


#14

It’s all a moot point. Unless God comes down and forces three to drop out of the race and this becomes a 1 on 1 campaign, Trump is going to win this running away.

Cruz will win Texas, he will finish third in most of the rest of the states. Rubio will finish second most of the states he might win Florida. Even if this gets down to a 1v1 race, it will probably still be an uphill battle to take down Trump.

So the question comes down to will a Democrat running as a Republican beat the strongest Democrat and former First Lady? Probably not, but I think his chances are exponentially higher than what I thought two months ago. The second question is, will enough Conservatives who don’t believe Trump is a good representation of Conservatism vote for him or will they choose Clinton or abstain from voting? This is an interesting question considering how many haven’t voted for him. Though his trouncing in Nevada was impressive with five runners.

I will say this, there is some credit to be given to Trump as I think he is starting to think presidentially. What I mean by this is he is presenting himself more seriously, more often than he did when he first ran. In terms of his policies, I don’t know how this can be overcome, especially his protectionist economic policies.

The case against Marco Rubio should be with held until he wins the nomination or at least a state. It doesn’t appear that Kasich or Carson are going anywhere. Kasich in particular was adamant that he is going to remain in the race as he stated just now on the Kelly File, a show which Trump declined to be a part of. He was perturbed by the question, delusional to his chances of winning. Even a three way race won’t be enough to beat Trump, even if his wins have been in favourable states and circumstances.


#15

Of the 3 candidates remaining in the race, Cruz is the ONLY candidate who both knows what the Constitution says and has consistently and steadfastly utilized and applied the document as a roadmap to governance.

That’s a BIG DEAL. With Cruz, you have a sense of what you are getting/where he stands. And that is a major reason why I cast my ballot for him in Texas’ early primary balloting.

It is too bad he is running against the largely unknown quantity and phenomenon known as Trump.

As an aside, I had to laugh yesterday when the “Beltway Lizards” trotted Romney out in an effort to slow down/derail the Trump train by having Romney claim Trump probably has something to hide in his tax returns - maybe he didn’t earn as much as he claims or pay as much in taxes as one might expect or didn’t give as much to charity as he should have.

Earth to the status quo Washington crowd - take your head’s out of your asses and look around - people don’t give a sh*t about Trump’s tax returns. While the Washington insiders are targeting Trump they themselves are being targeted by many Republican voters who are in the process of demonstrating their red-hot anger with the likes of Mitch McConnell and the rest of the “Walk Softly And Carry No Stick”/know nothing/do nothing crowd.


#16

I am surprised the democrats could not put up someone who may not have the name recognition of Hillary and have put all their faith in electing Hillary by hook or crook. Some democrats are so thirsty to get another democrat in they are choosing an old communist rather than Hillary who is under a cloud of criminal charges and reports of poor health. For all intents and purposes Hillary will win.


#17

5, Kasich is remaining until the Ohio primary, try to make a showing there, likely so as to get some VP pick cred.

Carson is staying in because… there’s less people, he says. And many more states to go…


#18

Perhaps I should have stated, “Of the 3 REAL candidates remaining in the race seeking the nomination for POTUS”.

I thought it obvious Carson and Kasich are non factors in that race.


#19

Unless indicted, I think Hillary Clinton is a lock for the nomination.

If she is indicted and Sanders has not generated the delegates necessary to win, then as I understand it, the Dems would be able to nominate someone other than Sanders at their convention. That is my greatest fear. I could see Biden and Elizabeth Warren as the Dem ticket. I think they would be harder to beat than Clinton.

Just my opinion.


#20

When one votes for president, one is supposed to put his country’s needs first, and his own self-interests, second. It was never intended to be on an individual basis, but rather, what’s best for the country - as a whole. Such as, trade policies, tax policies, immigration policies, and so forth.
Do you really mean to say that you cannot discern what is best for the country, although it may not be in your best interests?
You wouldn’t go along with a policy stating that if everyone below 60 gave up his Social Security benefits, it would solve our debt crisis? (Not saying it would. Just an example.)
I would. And I’m 57.

You wouldn’t go along with an income tax policy that abolishes the IRS, repeals the 16th Amendment, and replaces it with a consumption tax? Or, perhaps a Flat Tax so that ALL pay an equal share, although it might mean you pay more, personally?
I would. In a heartbeat.

This was aimed at Rubio, not Cruz. I’ve stated elsewhere, I think Cruz is solid ideologically, and he’s my second choice.

Get back to me when you paying outrageous prices for everything from a toothbrush to an air conditioner - IF you can get them at all.