The Hidden Reason Why Americans Dislike Islam


Yesterday, YouGov and the Huffington Post released a poll showing that large majorities of Americans — and pluralities across every political demographic — have an “unfavorable opinion” of the Islamic faith. The numbers are simply not close:

There will be no doubt some hand-wringing about “Islamophobia” and further calls to continue the American elite’s fourteen-year track record of whitewashing Islamic beliefs and culture, but I wonder if the media is missing a powerful, largely-uncovered influence on America’s hearts and minds — the experience and testimony of the more than two million Americans who’ve served overseas since 9/11 and have experienced Islamic cultures up-close.

Yes, they were in the middle of a war — but speaking from my own experience — the war was conducted from within a culture that was shockingly broken. I expected the jihadists to be evil, but even I couldn’t fathom the depths of their depravity. And it was all occurring against the backdrop of a brutally violent and intolerant culture. Women were beaten almost as an afterthought, there was a near-total lack of empathy for even friends and neighbors, lying was endemic, and sexual abuse was rampant. Even more disturbingly, it seemed that every problem was exacerbated the more religious and pious a person (or village) became.

I spent enough time outside the wire and interacting with tribal leaders to get a sense of the reality around me, but the younger guys on the line spent weeks at a time living in the heart of the local community. I remember one young soldier, after describing the things he’d seen since the start of the deployment, gestured towards the village around us and said — in perfect Army English — “Sir, this st is fked up.”

It is indeed. While it’s certainly unfair to judge Indonesia or Malaysia by the standards of Iraq or Afghanistan, it’s very hard to shake the power of lived experience, nor should we necessarily try. After all, when we hear stories from Syria, Yemen, Gaza, the Sinai, Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, Mali, Pakistan, and elsewhere they all fit the same depressing template of the American conflict zones. Nor is the dazzlingly wealthy veneer of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or the other Gulf States all that impressive. Tens of thousands of soldiers have seen the veritable slave labor that toils within the oil empires and have witnessed first-hand their casual disregard for “lesser” life.

But this same experience has caused us to treasure the Muslim friends we do have — in part because we recognize the extreme risks of their loyalty and defiance of jihad. That’s why American officers fiercely champion the immigration of local interpreters, even to the point of welcoming them into their own home. That’s why there’s often an intense connection with our Kurdish allies, the single-most effective ground fighting force against ISIS.

Two million Americans have been downrange, and they’ve come home and told families and friends stories the media rarely tells. Those stories have an impact, but because of the cultural distance between America’s warriors and its media, academic, and political aristocracy, it’s an impact the aristocracy hasn’t been tracking. Experience trumps idealistic rhetoric, and I can’t help but think that polls like YouGov’s are at least partly registering the results of a uniquely grim American experience.

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Hidden? I don’t think it’s very hidden. It’s quite out in the open.


[quote=“Susanna, post:2, topic:47953”]
Hidden? I don’t think it’s very hidden. It’s quite out in the open.
[/quote]Only to those who want the truth. A few here won’t believe it, until they are chopping heads off in America.


I don’t like them because they kill dogs.


I am not sure what the thread is actually about. I doubt there is a hidden reason Americans dislike Islam, if one knows what Islam really is, what the Koran actually says, The history of the Islamic conquests over the centuries, The reason should be quite overt. This is a lethal movement where it is proscribed that the Muslin is to follow the Koran and wage war in the infidel (or non-believer) that Islam is to be spread throughout the whole world by death or conversion. Peaceful Islam is truly an oxymoron. Since the rise of Islam by the end of the 7th century through the 8th century the Muslim overran the Holy Lands destroying Christian monuments and Jewish Holy sites, giving rise to the Crusades.


Anyone hurts one of my dogs and I call it attempted suicide if they survive (survive me, that is).


I wasn’t sure what it was about, either. Then it struck me - This article is written by someone who has just finally gotten around to opening his eyes - probably due to being a very part of the American elite’s fourteen-year track record of whitewashing Islamic beliefs and culture,
…and is just now getting around to wondering if the "media is missing a powerful, largely-uncovered influence on America’s hearts and minds — the experience and testimony of the more than two million Americans who’ve served overseas since 9/11 and have experienced Islamic cultures up-close."

IOW, it was hidden from him for that long, so he assumes the rest of us are at least as brain dead, if not more.

Welcome to reality, whoever wrote this article. After 14 years +, you’re finally getting a clue. Too bad it was hidden from YOU all these years.
(The link no longer brings you to the article, so I don’t know who wrote it. Considering it came from Nat’l Review, I hope the editors,, didn’t get hurt in the process of putting it to print.)


Malaysia isn’t all THAT different from Pakistan and Afghanistan. A little anecdote: One of my foster sons dated a Malaysian girl who was attending OU on a Malay-government scholarship, working on her MA. He fell desperately in love with her. She went by the name of “Nicki,” though I never knew her real name. She often had meals with us in our house and I liked her, too, since she had “westernized” to a great degree and was a cute little thing. She HAD to return to Malaysia because her scholarship required it and she was hired immediately to teach, earning a relatively high salary for Malaysian incomes. She skyped Bill and told him that her mother had “arranged” a marriage for her to a much-older cousin of her mother–saying that her mother did it because the male cousin was out of work and needed a wife with an income. She said it was pretty much out of her control. Bill flew to Malaysia and tried to speak to her mother and her estranged father, but to no avail. He returned home much depressed. Within a year, he’d died from a previously-diagnosed cancer. He was 26 years old!


I don’t know many returned vets, and none particularly closely at this point. But I read the Qur’an a couple of years after 9/11. It was largely a confusing insomnia cure - confusing due to the systematic use of pronouns without identifying who the various "he"s and "they"s are - but I tried very carefully to understand it as I read it. It’s sadistic, hate-filled, and authorizes things like conquest-and-slaughter-for-Islam and wife-beating. A now departed member tried a couple of weeks ago to chew me out for stating this, but it’s the literal truth. The Qur’an authorizes Muslims to do all these things, and I could have cited Surah and verse. What I read horrified me!

That said, reading the Qur’an simply tied together what I already knew of European and SW Asian history and 9/11.

Thing is many Americans are nominal, “I guess I’m a,” Christians or members of theologically liberal churches that claim to be Christian, but are stronger on what they don’t believe than on what (little) they do believe. Folks who fit those descriptions are not likely to have read “their own” Scriptures, the Bible; chances are they’ve never seen a copy of the Qur’an, even in translation, let alone read it. Similarly, few Americans have much familiarity with late 1st Millennium history, when Muslims conquered SW Asia from the eastern and southeastern shores of the Mediterranean to the northern half of India, all of northern Africa, and the Iberian Peninsula. Names like Charles Martel (“Does he play for the Chicago Bulls?”) and El Cid Campeador are men few Americans know much about. Similarly, I doubt many Americans realize that Muslim Turks came close, in the 1500s and 1600s, to conquering a large chunk of Eastern Europe (and who knows what the consequences would have been, had they succeeded?).

Most Americans know of Islam from the few Muslims they know in their communities (if there are any) and 9/11. So returning vets are and will continue to be significant windows on Islam and the culture it has created. Like any window, it’s an incomplete view, but it’s far more than we had 15 or 25 years ago.


Wow, it’s been 13 years since I last stepped in the foul sandbox. Seems like yesterday.