Trump Channels his Inner Jeb Bush


“*No citizenship. Let me go a step further — they’ll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty, as such, there’s no amnesty, but we work with them,” Trump said in an interview that aired Wednesday night, setting off another round of head-scratching over where he stands.

"Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out. But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, ‘Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump,’ I have it all the time. It’s a very, very hard thing,” he said.

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but to take a person who’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump,’
I get that argument & could see how that would be tough. So for people like that I too would probably cut them some slack. But where do you draw the line & how do you draw it. By that I mean how do they prove how long they have been here? Stuff like that would have to be worked out.


Trump was merciless in his attacks on Jeb for this exact position, I would say word for word but Jeb knows how to form a sentence so that would not be entirely accurate.

Dealing with illegal immigration was Trumps signature issue, followed by his imbecilic promise to punish China with tariffs and his general condemnation of the “stupid people” in the Washington Establishment for getting taken by other world governments.

Now he has moved further Left on illegal immigration than Bush and he has shifted his allegiance to the Washington Establishment by condemning those who “won’t get along with them and make deals” like Ted Cruz.

Countdown till the moment he changes his tune on China starts now…


People are going to disagree about implementation of various aspects of dealing with illegals, as well as tariffs, etc.

But, let’s be honest - Donald Trump is a terrible candidate. The man needs a keeper to keep him on message and he overstates nearly every position he takes. He has alienated damn near every segment of the population and finds it necessary to modify/roll back nearly every statement he makes. When he’s not scripted by teleprompter he’s a walking cleuster fleuken.

Of the 17 Republicans who ran for the nomination he might have given Republicans the least chance of defeating Clinton.

IMHO - and this is by no means an endorsement of some candidates I’m about to name - Bush, Cruz, Huckabee, Rubio, Kasich, all would have likely defeated Hillary Clinton, one of the most flawed, corrupt and demonstrably incompetent candidates ever to run for POTUS.

Clinton, has lucked out - she happens to be running against a man who is viewed as just as untrustworthy as she. A man of limited language skills who continually steps on his own message.

Republicans/Conservatives crapped in their own nest with this nomination. Looking at Clinton and her record, it is difficult to imagine how she could successfully run for any office - then, you look at Trump and think about his shallow, bombastic rhetoric and lack of discipline and the reason for her likely success comes into sharp focus - it’s Trump himself.

IMHO - In all likelihood, unless Clinton is indicted, Trump’s primary voters have handed her the White House.


If you would go after Hillary the way you go after Trump, we might have a hope of avoiding the fate of becoming a corrupt socialist country under Hillary.

Frankly I’m getting sick and tied you RET423. With friends like you we don’t any more Democrat Party enemies.

Like every presidential candidate, except perhaps Hillary, Trump pivoting to create a bigger tent to win the election. Hillary opposes EVERYTHING that you say matters to you in your signature, YET you continue with this devisive garbage. Ted Cruz lost in the primaries. Get over it.

If Trump enforces the immigration laws that are on the books, that will be a victory. If things continue the way they are with an open border, our culture will be gone within a generation. Look at the big picture picture. Your far right politics is doing none of us any good.


Big Tent = fail.

We’re not voting for Trump. Get over it.


And then we will have Hillary, and perhaps you can lay at the bottom of the ocean in your clamshell while the economy implodes and the terrorists get bolder.


Keep chasing that fantasy.


You obviously have not read my many commentaries regarding Hillary’s corruption and incompetence - including the commentary in the post you reacted to.

Setting Trump’s position on the issues aside, Trump is a terrible candidate. He has trouble staying on message, free associates from one topic to another - often in mid-sentence. He is bombastic, often overstates a point or position, only to walk it back the next day. The man has difficulty explaining his positions with any specificity. He has not displayed a great deal of depth on the issues - I often wonder if he could find Syria, Libya and Iran on the map. He has alienated large segments of the population - charged the judge handling a lawsuit against him with being biased and noted he was a Mexican (actually, the judge is an American of Hispanic heritage). The man has repeatedly displayed a “thin-skin”, gratuitously humiliated his Republican opponants and, often their family members, during the primaries.

Notice I have said nothing about his stated positions, many of which I agree with.

Hillary’s unfavorables are matched only by Trump’s. Given Hillary’s target rich corruption, criminality and world-wide incompetence it is political malfeasance for any candidate to be trailing her in the polls. That fact, in and of itself, should indicate to anyone other than a zealot the political malfeasance of Donald Trump’s candidacy.

My dog, Tinkerbell, would likely be up on Hillary by 15 points.


My dog, Tinkerbell, would likely be up on Hillary by 15 points.

In think that Gizmoe has a lead that is greater that. :beerchug:

Look, I know that Trump is flawed. He was far from my first choice, and I didn’t vote him in the primaries, but he’s all we’ve got. You can live that, or you rip the Republican Party apart in some vain hope that things can be fixed in 2020. I’ve already explained that thowing the election into the House of Representatives will not fix things because Trump, Hillary and probably Gary Johnson would be the only candidates. it’s a 1,000 to one shot that it will happen anyway. You either work with what you have, Trump, or you stand down. Voting for Hillary is an act of stupidty.


You’re preaching to the choir.


In a representative republic, paying attention, keeping informed and holding leaders accountable is required of every individual for purposes of basic quality control. Anything less is citizen malfeasance.

If Hillary is elected, your voice will never be heard, but in her presidency the entrance fee is at least a million dollars, probably multi-millions of dollars. Keeping up the issues will do you little good.


Either I don’t get it, some of you don’t get it or both.
Democrats = Socialism. Proof? Every program they push. B. Sanders who came out & said that he was a socialist. So can there be or is there any doubt that democrats are for socialism?
As for Hillary herself she is a capitalist only in that she wants money for herself. Other than that she is a socialist & has been at least since her college days. (Anyone remember that a paper she wrote in college on socialism magically when poof when Bill was running for office?).
Republicans = capitalism. It really doesn’t matter what else you say about them they are for capitalism. Capitalism is where people have a chance to get ahead, even if it’s only a small chance. Not all that possible for average people in socialism because they start out paying half of what they make to the government. Trump, no matter what you think about him he is a capitalist, no doubt about it.
Hillary & Trump. You people talk about them as if it’s a popularity contest. I like this one better because or I like that one better because. Sorry but that’s the little picture. Obama has had more control than any other president in history (some of it illegal) & even though he tried his hardest he MAY NOT have killed this country YET. And here some of you are quibbling about giving the democrats 4 more years to screw the U.S. even more. Socialism, how do you convert a country into it without a war? Socialism is the redistribution of wealth so all you have to do is 1. start more social programs 2. Increase taxes on those who have money. That equals redistribution (socialism).
Communism. That’s where the government owns everything, including businesses. How do you do that here without a revolution? Simple tax businesses until they go bankrupt & then the government takes them over to “create jobs” for those poor people out of jobs. Hillary will lay that foundation according to what she says (raise taxes on businesses & the rich).
This election is NOT an election between 2 flawed candidates. It’s an election between 2 different forms of government. So all I’m saying is be honest & vote the way you feel. I’ll vote repb because I believe in capitalism or I vote dem because I believe in socialism. But whatever you do, don’t look back in 5 or 10 years & say “Boy if I had realized what was going to happen I would have voted the other way”.
I guess that I’ll add that if this election is just a popularity contest I’m going to vote for Kate Upton. I like her lot better than either Hillary or Trump. (wink)



In one of my Finance classes in college which was being taught by a very successful money manager. One of the things he taught us was ‘upside-downside’ analysis.

I have used this thinking ever since. What it says more or less is that the investment has to have significant returns in order to be worth it. Its a long term thinking.

Like most gambling in Las Vegas the downside (the house) wins more often than not. But as you walk thru the casino you can find a few opportunities that that are worth the gamble…such as the slot machine that pays off $1 Million for a $1 buck pull of the one armed bandit.

Applying this thinking to Hitlery vs Trump:

Upside: Hitlery has no upside at all, if there is some, please point it out

The Donald on the other had has potential upside, but its a hazy world and unless he surrounds himself with legit thinkers and not just strap hangers he could turn out to be just another Dimmy Carter.

Upside: Hitlery zero, Donald +1

Downside: Hitlery is Obama’s 3rd term and she will till the scales so heavily on the SCOTUS that it will completely alter the American way and she will change our landscape with immigration that will insure a conservative will not be elected in most of your lifetimes. She will usher in an elected dictatorship and the Constitution that has been the basis for our laws in the country will become a “living document” meaning it will change to reflect our country and no longer be the foundation of our country.

The Donald: There is very little downside, sure he may make a mess of a few things but like Dimmy Carter whose heart was always in the right place, but he failed IMO due to the people he surrounded himself with.

Downside: Hitlery, off the chart and off the deep end, the Donald at the worst he will fumble the ball, but our country will not go down the tubes.

Folks, I am going to vote for the Donald because the ship America will not sink with him at the helm, if Hitlery wins she will with pre-meditated intent, sink the ship and the result will be: America has fallen and can’t get up. Trump and Hitlery are both one term POTUS, due to age and health. If MesShell runs for office in NY and Hitlery puts Obama on the SCOTUS, MeShell will follow Hitlery. This is a hellva downside we will be full blown communist socialist country. Trump is our only choice that MAY result in slowing the juggernaut that is coming our way. Trump may buy us enough time to run a true conservative at the end of his 4 years. If you are shocked at the corruption in govt today, let Hitlery get in office.

That said my personal belief is that we cannot defeat the Free train coming our way, I think we are past the tipping point already and the only way we can turn this country around is to let it fall, hit bottom just like the only way a druggie can ever recover is to hit bottom then and only then can they turn around. Hitlery and then MeShell they can take us to the bottom, sadly we will never again ever rise to the level we once were, no country ever has.

Its not over till the fat lady sings…Hitlery or MeShell!


That said my personal belief is that we cannot defeat the Free train coming our way, I think we are past the tipping point already and the only way we can turn this country around is to let it fall,
Don at one time not to far back I would agree with you. But the same thing that swept Obama into power just might be happening again. People are tired of the same old same old & whatever your feeling of Trump is, he is not that. How many times have you been talking with a lifelong democrat & he drops the bomb that he is (out of the blue) voting for a republican? Except for Reagan, that’s happened only once in my life & that’s a vote for Trump. Now we’ve all seen the poles where Hillary is winning but has anyone checked out the opposite views on U-Tube on how they are slanting those numbers? Of course those views are slanted too BUT the video’s of the rallies aren’t. Hillary holds rallies in high schools, Trump holds them in arena’s. That’s less than 500 for Hillary & more than 5,000 for Trump plus he sometimes holds those rallies a bunch in a week. So how is Hillary winning & why aren’t we seeing it? The media is controlling the numbers & the media is controlling what we see. It’s all smoke & mirrors & if you watch the video’s you will see how they do it. On pictures it’s real easy to photoshop in crowds so that Hillary looks popular. Oh & the last pole number that I heard from the republican side was Trump by 75%.


I’ve met two Sanders supporters who are considering voting for Trump. But I know far more Republicans who say unequivocally that they will not vote for him.


What swept Obama into power was the refusal of the media to vet him at all. You can’t say the same thing about their treatment of Trump.


What swept Obama into power was the refusal of the media to vet him at all. You can’t say the same thing about their treatment of Trump.

It went beyond not vetting him. He was the perfect candidate. He was Black; some people found him attractive, even sexy; and he was an extreme leftist with the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Many people had to vote for him because they thought they were racist if they didn’t.

From 2004 until 2012 the Democrats nominated the most extreme left person they had, if you can judge that by their voting record. This year Sanders lost because it was “Hillary’s turn” and Sanders had been an “Independent” before he decided to run the Democrat primaries. The establishment Democrats didn’t care for him, and they were ready to cut him off at the knees as the hacked emails showed.


None of which is my responsibility. I’m responsible for my vote. Not for who gets elected. That monkey slides right off my back.

If you think that “big tent” isn’t a failure, you might want to take a gander at the Bible:

[QUOTE=Jesus (per Matthew 7:24-27)]24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.[/QUOTE]
A “big tent” isn’t well founded.