Trump's Disqualifying Comments


#1

Trump has made three comments, that I think slid under the radar, but will come back to haunt him:

  1. Trump added that he thinks “eminent domain is wonderful,” and contended that those who are forced out of their homes often end up better off.
    Donald Trump: Eminent Domain Is ‘Wonderful’ | National Review Online

I thought this would sink Trump right there. I know the conservative movement despises eminent domain, which is government seizure of private property of law-abiding citizens. Esp. when such seizure isn’t for a public works project, like a new highway, but enables another private business (like, say, a casino) to expand. I assume many of you here would violently resist the government taking your home away, even if they gave you (what they consider is) “fair market value”. It’s your home, and they have no right to just come in and take it, right?

Trump supporting eminent domain is like Hillary becoming pro-life. Her candidacy would come to a screeching halt.

  1. “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Trump said on Fox News earlier this month. “They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families.

Kill Terrorists

Terrorists, of course, are fair game. But killing their family members simply because they’re related to the terrorist is murder. Should Timothy McVeigh’s family be rounded up and killed? The Unabomber’s brother, who turned him in? The mother of John Lee Malvo (D.C. Sniper)? Should the five year old brother of an ISIS terrorist be killed? How about his pregnant wife? We can’t take any chances, right?

  1. "I always felt fine about Putin," Trump said. "I think that he’s a strong leader. He’s a powerful leader … He’s actually got a popularity within his country. They respect him as a leader."
    Donald Trump on Vladimir Putin: ‘At least he’s a leader’ - Business Insider

Once upon a time, Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney were mocked by liberals for calling Russia one of our biggest geo-political threats. Then they were vindicated when Putin seized Crimea and invaded Ukraine. Hillary was mocked for the “Russia Reset”. I can’t believe the conservative movement has done a complete 180 on Putin. They don’t “feel fine about Putin”. Russia’s economy is a shambles, Putin does have people killed (OMG, that a forger KGB chief could stoop to such levels. I’m shocked, shocked, I tells ya!), and Putin is a threat to NATO, which makes him a threat to us.

So, Trump supporters, how do you still support Trump after all this?


#2

You’d think. Such a cornerstone of liberty as this is a serious litmus test. Even Democrats and liberals managed to be appalled or at least feign horror at the Kelo decision.


#3

I was appalled by Kelo, and assumed (stupidly, it turned out) SCOTUS would only allow eminent domain in cases where there is a hugely compelling public interest (e.g., someone’s house is holding up construction of a hyrdoelectric dam).

Where I live, there’s talk of building a 25 mile long tunnel under the Angeles Forest. If my home was in the way, I wouldn’t like it, but I would understand the reasoning behind it. But to take someone’s home so some developer can build a commercial project? No way.


#4

I agree with this post for the most part, although I am a conservative who takes a contrarian view on Russia and Putin (not that I think he is a good person).

It is amazing to me how Trump echoed Bernie Sanders on healthcare and college funding and no one even cared.


#5

I have ethical problems with many, many of our laws regarding taxation, eminent domain, bankruptcy, and a host of other issues. If was in business and wanted to maximize my profits, I would play by the rules and use the rules to my advantage. I would have difficulty doing this in some circumstances and I am not and never will be worth 10 billion dollars (unless inflation gets to the level of the Weimar Republic). I have no problem with statement number 1.

If a terrorist is at a family wedding and this is the only opportunity to take him out with a Hellfire missile, I am fine with that. It is unfortunate but this is a war and we did not start it. Tens of thousands of civilians were killed in Dresden, Hiroshima etc.; it was a war and we did not start it. Terrorists in this war do not wear uniforms. Can we afford to protect his wife and family because they might not know what is going on and they might not be assisting him? I have no problem with statement number 2.

Putin is a strong leader, he is popular in his home country; these are undisputed facts. If Trump is fine with Putin, I take that to mean that he is confident that he can effectively deal with Putin and effectively advance American interests. I have no problem with statement number 3.

Any more questions?

PS Am I a Trump supporter? If I could name our next president I would pick either Newt or Ted Cruz. I think Trump is more electable than any other Republican. He is my 3rd choice but I will be very happy the day he takes the oath of office.


#6

Although inexcusable ethically, Trump has gone further than merely using the system to legally steal from other people. He supports it even after the fact. He supports the unethical and immoral but legal theft of property. It is indefensible for anyone who gives lip service to capitalism or liberty. It is his position that bureaucrats and politicians should decide winners and losers among private citizens. He is not a capitalist, but he is running for the nomination in the party that supposedly values capitalism, free markets and private property.


#7

Our country has moved far, far away from any sort of true Capitalist system. Anyone who takes a tax deduction or government waiver or grant is effectively stealing from someone else. What are the alternatives? Become an ascetic monk and live in a cave or play the game by the rules as they exist and use them to your advantage. If Donald Trump chose to be the ascetic monk he would not be able to run for the presidency. Is he insincere about making America great again because he used the rules of the game to get where he is? In my opinion, no, he is not insincere.


#8

Again, this is not a question of someone being a sleazy businessman, but someone running for president endorsing a policy of government seizure of private property. Do you want to make it easier for businesses to take your home? That’s what Trump’s position is. He even gave a justification for it:

"In his interview with Baier, Trump didn’t back down one inch; he insisted that the compensated, involuntary transfer of private property by the government was in the public’s best interests. He first used the example of a government seizing land for a road or highway — generally the least controversial and most broadly supported use of eminent domain. But he quickly broadened his argument, insisting that government should always be allowed to take private land for development projects if the promised public benefits are big enough. “If you have a factory, where you have thousands of jobs, you need eminent domain, it’s called economic development,” Trump said. “Now you’re employing thousands of people and you’re able to build a factory, you’re able to build an Apple computer center, where thousands of people can work. You can do that, or you can say, ‘Let the man have his house.’”

Donald Trump: Eminent Domain Is ‘Wonderful’ | National Review Online

I say “let the man have his house”. Don’t you?


#9

Yes, I agree with you. If the owner wants to hold out for 10 times his property’s value (or a 100 times) he should be able to go for it. The factory, hotel or casino can always find another location. Trump’s position does not rule out my support when compared to the alternatives. The only person who agrees with me on 100% of the issues isn’t even running and wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell if he did run; that would be me.


#10

Don’t you have certain core beliefs you won’t compromise on? If Trump was pro-choice, would you give him a pass on that? What if he wanted to ban all guns? I don’t understand how a conservative can rally behind an eminent domain supporter. At the core of conservatism is the belief that government governs best when it governs least. What is the point of the 2nd amendment, if you allow the government to legally take your home? That’s just a stone’s throw away from allowing them to legally take your guns. Even a liberal like me knows where that road ends.


#11

[quote=“old_dog, post:7, topic:48063”]
Our country has moved far, far away from any sort of true Capitalist system. Anyone who takes a tax deduction or government waiver or grant is effectively stealing from someone else. What are the alternatives? Become an ascetic monk and live in a cave or play the game by the rules as they exist and use them to your advantage. If Donald Trump chose to be the ascetic monk he would not be able to run for the presidency. Is he insincere about making America great again because he used the rules of the game to get where he is? In my opinion, no, he is not insincere.
[/quote]He is no longer a reluctant participant in a corrupted economic system. He is a hopeful decision-maker who supports the very abuse he just had to do himself when he was just a businessman who was a poor, helpless victim of the system.

Maybe this is just one disagreement you have with him, for me, this is indicative of just how terrible his political philosophy is. It has far-reaching implications about how he views the economy and basic liberty, private property, that bedrock of conservative principles.


#12

Yes, I have core principles. Many of them are trampled upon by government every single day. There are some that I won’t compromise on. They go much deeper than who I will or will not vote for based on a single issue. Without going into details, if government ever crosses that line they better come with body bags. Eminent domain, abortion and the 2nd amendment are beyond the legitimate control of the president. Foreign policy, national security, equal justice, the rule of law and control of the bureaucratic locusts are within the legitimate control and duty of the president and I put more weight on these than any single issue. I believe that our Republic is the best form of government yet conceived by man and it’s not dead yet. The vast majority of the Republican field will, at best, delay the death of the Republic. I’ll take a chance with Cruz or Trump.


#13

Along w/lauding many of Trump’s attributes, I said this about him on 11-01-15:

He can take his ideas on eminent domain, and STUFF THEM! Shows a lack of respect for private property – one of, if not THE – bedrocks of our country! Leaves one wondering if he’s perused the Constitution.

http://www.republicanoperative.com/forums/f16/okay-put-up-shut-up-name-your-candidate-tell-us-why-49058/index3.html

It still troubles me deeply. It doesn’t surprise me, coming from him, that he thinks it’s all about money. Perhaps, to him, money solves everything. What’s worse is when I hear his supporters saying pretty well the same thing: “It’s not like they aren’t well compensated for it,” is one I often hear.
That’s not the point. There was a time when there truly wasn’t enough money in the world to compensate me for how much I love the land that we spent years pouring blood, sweat, and tears into in order to achieve our goals.
Besides, it’s mine; I earned it! And it wasn’t just by making payments to a bank. I’ve put so much heart into this land that it owns me as much as I own it.
It’s mine, and you can’t have it!!!

Some people simply don’t appreciate that depth of love for the land. Even so, they ought to appreciate the ideal behind the notion that what made this country so different, and so GREAT (ahem) is that it allowed ordinary people to do extraordinary things, the very foundation of which was the ability to own his very own property no matter the station of life he was born into.

If you can’t respect that, then you don’t respect me.


#14

Eminent Domain - In my opinion, Trump’s approval - indeed, promotion - of the broad application of eminent domain, as codified under KELO - DEFINES his view of an individual’s relationship with the government and the powerful citizen’s relationship with you and me.

Trump’s position on this issue - that some private citizens are more “equal” than others - a position that dramatically EXPANDS government power/reach and encourages the influence of the rich and powerful at the expense of the average citizen is both frightening in its implications and absolutely indefensible. I can’t think of any position less American, less conservative than this one.

PERIOD.


#15

This is one of many reasons why Trump is not my guy.

That said, if it’s him or Hildebeast, I’ll vote for him.


#16

Same here. And, jftr, #'s 2 & 3 that DHLiberal posted bother me not in the least.


#17

There is so much wrong with the government of this country but you people are willing to hang your hat on eminent domain.

Let’s put eminent domain aside and ask: Do you really own your property?

  1. Stop paying your property tax for a few years and answer the question.

  2. Use your property for something it isn’t zoned for and answer the question.

  3. Fill in your “wetlands” and answer the question.

  4. Pay the clearly unconstitutional fines of thousands of dollars per day for small violations of the endangered species act or some absurd EPA regulation and answer the question.

Kelo is one of dozens of Supreme Court decisions that are fundamentally transforming our country; it’s going to be here unless or until the Supreme Court resumes its constitutional function. Establishment Democrats and Republicans do not want the Supreme Court to resume its constitutional function. Would President Trump make good nominations? I don’t know but I seriously doubt that he will make Kelo a litmus test in his vetting. I would hope that he would make nominations of the caliber of Ted Cruz or Mike Lee. President Cruz would almost certainly make good nominations that will never get through the Senate in its present or likely future composition and actually electing Cruz is a very long shot.

Where am I going with this? We need a strong leader who will play hardball with our enemies in the world, our enemies in the bureaucracy, our enemies on K street and our enemies on Capitol Hill. He ain’t perfect and he might not work out, I have no crystal ball. But he is the only electable candidate who will not certainly lead us further down the path to oblivion or be a caretaker for the broken system we have now.


#18

Our property taxes are not very high, and there’s even a ‘homesteaders rebate’ that’s gone up from $300 to $350, but that still doesn’t eliminate the fact that NObody who has to pay property taxes owns his land, outright.
(The reason for the higher amount of rebate was the attempt to phase out property taxes altogether, and go a different route. It’s since been abandoned, apparently, and I’m to fault for that as much as the next guy for not involving myself more in local politics.)

  1. Use your property for something it isn’t zoned for and answer the question.

Our property can be used for anything we deem necessary, useful, or whatever we want. The ONLY restriction is that you must get a perk test on new property if you need to dig a well. Otherwise, the electric company won’t even bother putting a meter on your home.
That aside, we’ve improved our home and land tremendously with no need of any kind of permit to do so.
We’ve added on rooms w/electricity & water running to them; built outbuildings w/same said; one of which took calling a pro to pour the concrete 'cuz it was bigger than we could handle, (and had a guy come out to pour concrete in our 24x40 barn.) We dug trenches to bury power lines, (and if you don’t think that’s hard to do by hand in Arkansas, try it, lol), hooked the lines up to our breaker box - adding breakers, as necessary; ran water out to the fields and garden by adding what we needed to the well…
You name it, we’ve done it. No permit necessary. It’s YOUR land. You do with it as you see fit.
THAT’S why I love where I live.
And ain’t no damn fool gonna take it from me!

  1. Fill in your “wetlands” and answer the question.

We ain’t got no stinkin’ wetlands. Furthermore, our state is kicking the EPA’s butts in their attempts to encroach upon our property rights.
Although I’ll admit to getting a bit nervous 'cuz they don’t seem to be fighting as hard as I’d like with that “Blue Waterways” garbage that’s going on.

  1. Pay the clearly unconstitutional fines of thousands of dollars per day for small violations of the endangered species act or some absurd EPA regulation and answer the question.

We don’t cotton to no stinkin’ EPA “endangered species” actions. If a varmint is in our way, we kill it.

Kelo is one of dozens of Supreme Court decisions that are fundamentally transforming our country; it’s going to be here unless or until the Supreme Court resumes its constitutional function. Establishment Democrats and Republicans do not want the Supreme Court to resume its constitutional function. Would President Trump make good nominations? I don’t know but I seriously doubt that he will make Kelo a litmus test in his vetting.

No kidding.

I would hope that he would make nominations of the caliber of Ted Cruz or Mike Lee. President Cruz would almost certainly make good nominations that will never get through the Senate in its present or likely future composition and actually electing Cruz is a very long shot.

Why do you assume the Cruz’s nominations to the Supreme Court would be dead in the water? Have you lost all hope?
MY hope is that Cruz WILL be president, and the more we back him up, the more the chances are that he will be.
He’s not the long shot you may think he is. He is, after all, polling right behind Trump. Nobody else on the RNC roster has near his polling numbers.
DON’T GIVE UP THE SHIP, YET!

Where am I going with this? We need a strong leader who will play hardball with our enemies in the world, our enemies in the bureaucracy, our enemies on K street and our enemies on Capitol Hill. He ain’t perfect and he might not work out, I have no crystal ball. But he is the only electable candidate who will not certainly lead us further down the path to oblivion or be a caretaker for the broken system we have now.

I think Cruz is very electable. Don’t sell him, nor yourself, nor the voting public so short.

I’m fairly certain that Cruz will be on the nomination ticket in my state come March 1st. That is who I’ll be voting for.
If Trump ends up being the nominee, that’s who’ll I’ll be voting for in the general election.
If neither are the nominee, I’ll be moving to Mexico! (LOL Just kidding!)


#19

Why Trump is the most electable candidate:

  1. Trump has already had more negative publicity thrown at him than previous GOP candidates have gotten in the general election. They haven’t even gotten started on Cruz.

  2. Trump is the only candidate willing to take the gloves off with Hillary. Just in the past few days he has gone after Bill’s abuse of women and Hillary’s role in protecting him.

  3. Trump has awakened voters across party lines who have been disgusted with the direction of government and the economy for years.

  4. Cruz will reinvigorate the “war on women” strategy. It is one thing to be pro-life but Cruz’s position on abortion is way out of mainstream America and the Democrats will make that a major campaign issue.

  5. Trump supporters are enthusiastic and will show up at the polls.

  6. Trump has a successful record of leadership, executive experience and economic knowledge.

  7. Trump is believable in his promises to secure the border, deal with our adversaries abroad and revitalize the economy.

  8. Trump projects strength and leadership which has been absent from our leadership for far too long.

  9. Trump is not “politically correct”.

  10. Last, but not least, Trump seems prepared and willing to spend a good chunk of his wealth to win.


#20

Yes, Old Dog, we have much wrong in our nation - so, what the hell, let’s elect someone who lines up against private property rights, a fundamental tenet upon which many of our freedoms rest? Please, OD, that’s insulting.

As for your declaration of Trump’s electability - at this point who the hell can possibly know if he is electable or not?