Tucker Carlson is routing for Russia?

Here is the quote:

Tucker: “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? I’m serious. Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which by the way I am.”

Here’s the wider context:

I’m curious.

  1. Am I missing something? Is there someone here that can help me understand this?

  2. Is there anyone else here on RO that agrees with TC?

  3. He claims he was joking, was that a joke? Jokes are funny…Did he look like he was trying to be funny or, has he revealed who he and perhaps by extension the rest of the Republicans and the right really are?

And for my part. Here’s why I support Ukraine.

  1. Ukraine is a European nation soon to join NATO/EU

  2. It’s a buffer between Russian aggression and Europe

  3. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a war crime

  4. Russia waged cyberwar on us in 2016

  5. Russia is waging cyberwar on us now

As a side note, can I project Tucker’s position on every other Republican/ Conservitive? Would that be fair?

Oh, and last thing…How far does the “I’m just kidding” defense go? I mean, does that work for you?

When O’Roruke said he wanted your guns, if he had said later, “I was joking”, would ANY of you believed it?

No…

Do some of you project O’Rourks position on all Dems (not just politicians but ALL Dems)?

So Why can’t I:

  1. Deny that Tucker was kidding (as Carlson, who has been a vocal skeptic that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and has repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax”).

  2. Project Tuckers apparent rooting for Russia onto everyone on the right?

I have no idea why Tucker Carlson said that. I only watch his show about once a week and I didn’t see the context. Sorry, but I don’t go very far with links these days because I’ve had more than my share of computer viruses which cost me money every time to eliminate.

It was an unfortunate remark, but there again you are using The Daily Beast as a source with is one of the more disgusting “news outlets.” If you are trying to pass yourself off as an “independent,” following The Daily Beast is not a good strategy.

His guest is that Richard Goodstein, who makes my skin crawl. Every time I see that reptile come up on the Carlson show, I change the channel. He is totally repulsive. Life too short to waste it listening to him. He is the modern version of James Carvel. Goodstein could bring out the worst in just about anybody.

The source is Fox news. I understand fearing virus’ though, so you didn’t know, but on their page was a link to Fox (I couldn’t find a direct link to Fox).

Now, when I say this, try to understand I’m not being snarky, I just want you to think…

When Conservatives say things that are objectionable, it’s “unfortunate”, when Dems say things like that, it’s (insert whatever pejoratives you want).

It’s really a question of “where you sit”. I’m not saying that Dems don’t say things that are cringeworthy or outright objectionable, but I think it’s unfair to attribute what any Dem says to every person on the left as it’s unfair to attribute what TC says to every person on the right.

These two things are contradictory. If it’s a buffer state, it shouldn’t be in either our or Russia’s alliance.

Personally, I don’t think it should be joining NATO, and I don’t think we should have any Eastern European members (or Georgia). They should form their own alliance, and act as a collective counter point to Russia.

Having us in their back pocket will embolden them the same way it emboldened France back in the 60’s, thinking it could use the alliance to protect its empire.

Here, it’s going to embolden the Ukrainians, the Georgians, and the Polish into thinking they can break the Russian Federation and the Eurasian Union up.

He’s trolling the left and their expectations of the existence of a quid pro quo with Russia; it says so in the article.

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Not me.

Obviously, no.

Not very.

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Most of Crimea wanted to be a part of Russia, the Ukrainian government was just as corrupt and devious as Putin at the time; Tucker was making the point that there was no good reason to get involved in this squabble as long as it didn’t go beyond Crimea.

Yes I agreed with him although his point was sarcastic at the time, that was why it was never criticized at the time.

I have no problem with Crimea wanting a Russian identity, I oppose the inclusion of places like Ukraine on the list of country’s that we vow to leap to the defense of if they are invaded; Obama was obligated to help them but he made the right choice in ignoring the event.

Should we have used the United States military to force Russia out and force the people of Crimea to remain under the authority of a corrupt government that they wanted no part of? We were obligated to do just that because we pass out BFF invitations way to easily, which is also why it was so difficult for the STOP RUSSIA! Pundits to make a coherent argument for engaging Russia over this.

I would bet that the same debate was happening at the Obama State Dept and they also came up with “why should we care or not be rooting for Russia in this?”

Who told you that, the Russians?

Please, don’t make me laugh.

No I’m pretty sure Tucker said…

Again, you’re presuming that’s true based on Russian reports of what people in Crimea want.

Furthermore, it’s a joke to think that if another nation invaded a strategic area in the US, that you’d be ok with it if everyone in that area wanted to be with the invader.

What a joke. Seriously.

Honestly, you have no idea what’s going on there and even if you’re counter is I don’t either, that’s fine, but I’m not the one claiming what the people of Ukraine, in or out of Crimea want,

Routing? Lolol.

I would welcome secession in the US and I would have no problem with Kalifornia or like minded States aligning with other countries that hate the United States as much as they do; I think every communist should be able to live the realities of communism without imposing their imbecilic ideas on anyone else.

Crimea is no different, they can embrace any stupid idea that they want as long as they are willing to accept the consequences.

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The State Department, the United Nations, the Crimean local governments, numerous international news organizations over many years and most importantly; zero opposing claims from anyone including the Ukrainian government.

Actually, after the fall of the USSR, it turns out that Crimea was about 80% ETHNIC RUSSIAN. The USSR had been moving Russians into Crimea for multiple decades because it was the USSR’s only viable port area for the Soviet Navy on the Black Sea and thus access to the Mediterranean Sea.

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So when Texas is mostly Mexicans, Mexico can have it?

Nonsense. Mexicans (or what YOU think Mexicans are) have been part of Texas throughout its history…even when it was warring WITH Mexico and earning its independence FROM Mexico. A fairly large number of “Mexicans” currently in Texas, however, are there ILLEGALLY. The two situations are NOT in any way analogous.

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I honestly don’t know or care what Tucker Carlson meant by his remarks. The geopolitics of Eastern Europe is almost as complex as the Middle East chaos. The Russians lost a pro-Russian regime in Ukraine in 2014 in what they, rightly or wrongly view as a CIA inspired coup d’état. This prompted them to move against Crimea and eastern Ukraine. They can’t live with another potential NATO ally less than 300 miles from Moscow. It has become sort of a frozen war. We give Ukraine limited military aid but are certainly not going to the mats to restore their territorial integrity. We have, however created a strong buffer zone from the Baltic to the Black Seas: Romania, Poland and the Baltic states. This is done primarily outside the dysfunctional NATO structure. The democrats crying that the Ukraine is a strong ally that we need to defend is absolutely laughable. We had an obligation together with the UK and Russia to honor their sovereignty and territorial borders; that went out the window with Obama. I guess the Ukrainians were fools to give up their nuclear arsenal.

So you cannot tell the difference between ethnicity and political ideology?
So I guess we can add that to your not knowing what Fascism means.

It’s always useful to do a bit of research on issues like this, and not just automatically swallow what the mainsteam media want you to believe. Here’s a section of the relevant Wikipedia article on the transfer of Crimea back to Russia. (Khrushchev ‘gave’ Crimea to his native Ukraine back in 1954 [ Details of that transfer here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea ]:

From the Wiki article. [Note that there had been a referendum on the transfer, in which the majority voted to go with Russia. However, we need not assume that this referendum was fair. But the private opinion polls are pretty clear.]

Post-referendum polls

The results of the survey by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, conducted April 21–29, 2014, showed that 83% of Crimeans felt that the results of the March 16 referendum on Crimea’s status likely reflected the views of most people there. Whereas, this view is shared only by 30% in the rest of Ukraine.[156]

According to the Gallup’s survey performed on April 21–27, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans’ views,[157] and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea’s becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, while 5.5% disagree.[157]

According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, majority of Crimean residents say the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[158]

A poll of the Crimean public was taken by the Ukrainian branch of Germany’s biggest market research organization, GfK, on January 16–22, 2015. According to its results: “Eighty-two percent of those polled said they fully supported Crimea’s inclusion in Russia, and another 11 percent expressed partial support. Only 4 percent spoke out against it. … Fifty-one percent reported their well-being had improved in the past year.”[159]

Bloomberg’s Leonid Bershidsky noted that “The calls were made on Jan. 16–22 to people living in towns with a population of 20,000 or more, which probably led to the peninsula’s native population, the Tatars, being underrepresented because many of them live in small villages. On the other hand, no calls were placed in Sevastopol, the most pro-Russian city in Crimea. Even with these limitations, it was the most representative independent poll taken on the peninsula since its annexation.”[159]
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum#Post-referendum_polls

Note that the original inhabitants of Crimea, the Crimean Tatars, were very much opposed to going back to Russia. But, due to unlimited immigration, they are now a minority in their own homeland. It’s also clear that the Wiki piece on the polls was written by a Russian – the lack of articles for some nouns is a giveaway. However, the quoted polls are unarguable. Most of the residents of Crimea were happy to return to Russia.

The Cold War is over. Communism is dead, except among younger members of the Democratic Party in the US. We don’t need to be involved in quarrels among the European powers. As for “Russian aggression”, Russia has been invaded 3 times from Europe in the last two centuries. So they’re a bit paranoid.

In any case, it’s not our problem. Germany, I have been told, has demonstrated a certain skill in military matters. France and Britian are nuclear powers. So why do the poor old Americans have to get involved in these people’s problems? The Europeans are perfectly capable of defending themselves. We have enough problems of our own.

I have to say, it’s very strange to encounter a liberal warmonger.

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The liberal socialists will take any position that is the opposite of Trump. If he proposes a withdrawal in the Middle East, they will oppose it. If he calls for limiting Russian expansion, they will oppose it. Their hate has made them irrational.

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Actually, it’s worse than irrational. They have put their partisan political objectives above the good of the country. They’re sending a message to our enemies: “If you don’t like our foreign policy just wait untill we throw Orange Man out.”. This is borderline treason: giving aid and confort to our enemies.

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Of course, I don’t like to see a RINO make such noise; on the other hand, as a general rule, they aren’t as likely to be homogeneous as the Dems.

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Can you offer any evidence to that statement? I mean, how would you measure the homogeneity of the opinions on the right and the left?

I mean, with respect, I doubt SERIOUSLY you mingle in a significant amount of liberal circles. You get your information about what liberals believe from conservative sources.

I would suggest to you that FOX, Rush or any known conservative source of information does not represent the right any better than CNN, MSNBC and Mother Jones represent the right.

Any idea that you’re sources are pure and only mine are not is…Well, I don’t want to be insulting, so I’ll leave it at that.