Undermining the Electoral College

While some Republicans are sitting around thinking that Donald Trump is going to be re-elected easily 2020, they should consider the legislation that 14 states, plus the District of Columbia, have passed to circumvent the Electoral College. Those states have voted to award their Electoral Votes based upon the national popular vote, not the vote in their own states. So far, the following states have passed this legislation:

District of Columbia
New Mexico
New Jersey
New York

These states have a total of 196 Electoral Votes or 36.4% of the Electoral College. Since all of these are Democrat states, there have not been a lot of raised eyebrows.

In addition, the following eight states have pending legislation:

North Carolina
New Hampshire
South Carolina

These states have 90 Elector Votes. That would give the Electoral College by-pass legislation 286 votes a winning majority (since 270 are needed to win) in all future presidential elections. If this legislation were to come into effect, that would give the election to the candidate who wins the national popular vote, regardless of how the other states vote.

The Electoral College gives the small states some say into who is elected president. It makes the candidates pay attention them and their issues. If this legislation comes to pass, the there is a huge likelihood that all future presidential elections would be determined by California, New York and Illinois.

This legislation is not in force as of yet. There are also legitimate concerns that it can pass the constitutional muster. Still it is there, and the possibility that it will pass and become a de-facto by-pass of a constitutional amendment is a concern.

Do any of you have any thoughts on this?

This is not a good direction in general. There is nothing sacred or superior about a popular vote, yet most folks seem to think “majority ought to rule.” Change should be difficult, more difficult than finding 51 percent of the vote. The Electoral college requires the majority-supported partisans who run for office to consider the little guys. It gives a small place like Wyoming a voice. You hit the nail on the head. This will marginalize those folks. Funny how Democrats pretend to represent the little guy, the voices of the minority and push this kind of garbage, and then less left-wing states get on board…

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The only “little guys” the Democrats care about are the people who vote for them. If you are in a “red state” the Democrats view you as a knuckle-dragging imbecile.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.


Speaking on Pennsylvania, no way it’ll happen. Probably just some impotent Philly reps trying to push something that doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of getting through the Republican-controlled state House and Senate.

I hope you are correct. Still I can’t see how this would hold up in court if there are fair minded judges who respect the constitution. If you want to do away with the Electoral College, pass a constitutional amendment.

Only a few of those States ever vote red and if they do this time their own population will revolt long before the Supreme Court knocks these “Civil War manifesto” laws down; California may be the only one on the list that would be stupid enough to choose Electors who would actually do it.

The Electoral College is still real people who have to cast a real vote in violation of Federal Law; most Liberals are cowards when they have to actually face the consequences of their actions personally.

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The trouble is if the actual vote of the state is nullified by this national popular vote law, who are the, presumedly Democrat, electors who get seated in any case? This is why the courts would need to get involved with the constitutional law issue.

In most states, the electors are required to vote for the ticket to which they are pledged. In other words an elector can only do his or her duty. They must vote for the official candidate, not someone they choose.

As for “cowardly liberals,” I don’t think that they are cowardly any more. Many of them have become nasty, dedicated revolutionaries. In other words they are more like thuggish Antifa people than loud but non violent demonstrators.

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I’m pretty sure I am. Our governor and lieutenant governor are lying crooks, but our legislature is in pretty good shape. Not many (if any) of our state-level Rs are RINOs. They’ve held the line pretty good (not perfectly on fiscal matters, but otherwise, not bad).