Unveiled: Two of China’s secret J-20 stealth fighters sweep over gasping crowd at air


Remember these moments when in 25 years China is the only military superpower.

Unveiled: Two of China’s secretive J-20 stealth fighters sweep over gasping crowd at air show | National Post

China showed its Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter in public for the first time on Tuesday, opening the country’s biggest meeting of aircraft makers and buyers with a show of its military clout.

Airshow China, in the southern city of Zhuhai, offers Beijing an opportunity to demonstrate its ambitions in civil aerospace and to underline its growing capability in defense. China is set to overtake the U.S. as the world’s top aviation market in the next decade.


…in the solar system.


My father fought the Japs on an Island Tour in the Pacific, I fought the Asian mentality along with the Chinese in Vietnam.

For those of you who find the Internet and Google are you FRIEND and not your foe you MAY want to look hard at ISIS and the Jap Army of WWII…

DO NOT and NEVE EVER under estimate the Asian mentality in their warrior class. They TRULY fight to the death.

Dealing with barbarism: V-J Day and beyond
August 27, 2014 | by Marvin J. Folkertsma | Topic: American History & Presidents, Military & Foreign Policy Print Print

On September 2, 1945, V-J Day, the funeral-like solemnity of the Japanese surrender aboard the USS Missouri was shattered by the thunder of 400 B-29 bombers flying overhead, accompanied by an additional 1,500 carrier aircraft. In a bay packed with 260 Allied warships, the effect of such an overwhelming demonstration of power could hardly fail to impress. The aerial procession roared over the remains of an empire whose hordes had swept across Asia like a scythe of murder and annihilation for the previous decade and a half.

Probably no country suffered more under Japanese occupation than China, especially after Japan initiated its “Three All” offensive in 1941: “Kill all, burn all, destroy all.” Millions of Chinese were slaughtered during this campaign. But perhaps the best measure of a nation’s level of civilization is found in how it treats those it has captured—i.e., prisoners of war. Here the Japanese record is best summarized by Max Hastings’s superb account in “Retribution.” Hastings writes, “The casual sadism of the Japanese towards their prisoners was so widespread, indeed, almost universal, that it must be considered institutional. There were so many cases of arbitrary beheadings, clubbings, and bayonetings in different parts of the empire that it is impossible to dismiss these as unauthorized initiatives by individual officers and men.”

In fact, Hastings goes on to report that victorious Japanese soldiers often mailed pictures of beheadings and bayonetings to their families back home, proudly depicting their macabre contributions to the war effort, faithfully adopting practices authorized by their code of the warrior, the “Bushido.” Indeed, it was this grotesque manual of Dantesque horrors that compelled Japanese soldiers hardly ever to surrender, until very late stages in the war. And what is one to make of the hundreds of Kamikaze suicide pilots who ravaged the American fleet off Okinawa, sinking or damaging 191 ships, killing thousands of American sailors, inflicting far more damage than the spectacular raid on Pearl Harbor? The Japanese had descended to a level of barbarism that could only be countered with extreme measures.

Hence the firebombing of Japanese cities by General Curtis LeMay’s B-29 bombers, a military aircraft whose research and development costs exceeded even those associated with building the atomic bomb. On March 9, 1945, the bombers leveled 16 square miles of Tokyo, killing at least 100,000 people and leaving another million homeless. City after city was scorched, culminating in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Russian invasion of Manchuria, and Emperor Hirohito’s reluctant decision finally to meet the Allied demand for unconditional surrender on August 14. Overwhelming force had obliterated the empire and its leadership’s ambitions, and Japan has been at peace ever since.

Which brings us to a consideration of a current scourge of barbarism, this time occurring in the Middle East, the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Compared to Japan, ISIS is “JV”—junior varsity, to use President Obama’s term. But there is nothing “JV” about ISIS’s methods. We have seen them before, in different clothing: beheadings, impaling, suicide attacks, dying for a higher cause (this time for Allah to establish a caliphate instead of for a Mikado to establish an empire), boundless contempt for others, and commitment to a way of war that, like “Bushido,” resembles a death cult.

There is also nothing “JV” about the goals of ISIS. Japan’s grand mission during World War II was to establish what it called a “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere,” beyond which the military leadership was less concerned; mostly it wanted to be left alone by the United States. On the other hand, the mission of ISIS is global and strategic in that its leadership is determined to conquer the world, one piece at a time, and to see its flag raised above the White House.

**What should be done about ISIS and similar totalitarian movements? The answer, unfortunately, is the same as the one forced upon Allied decision makers during World War II in the struggles against Germany and Japan. This does not mean using atomic bombs or reinstating the draft. Rather it means a recognition that this organization is not going to go away by itself and that it will take a determined effort among an alliance of nations to rid the region of the barbaric madness that has overtaken it. **The Kurds should be armed; regional players should be committed to the struggle; and American airpower should continue to support such efforts.

Is ISIS the new Japan? | The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College Center for Vision and Values - A conservative think tank promoting truth and liberty through a vision of faith and freedom.

While the writer does not endorse (publicly at least) nukes, I will tell you, its gonna take nukes to end it, JUST like it did in WWII.

I would start with Mosul, where ISIS has a stronghold with 1000’s of fighters embedded in the city for over 2 years, sounds like Islands in the Pacific. Go to map, get physical size of Mosul, take from stock a nuke that will create a crater that size and POOF gone forever…


Oh you mean the F-35 rip off? The plane that had its first flight in 2006, a decade ago? The only way China is going to surpass us is if we stop all R&D today an go back to Vietnam era aircraft.


They spend more on internal police than their military.

They let go of 300,000 soldiers just this year.

In 25 years, they’ll be demographically in the toilet, with a population older than the oldest Euro nation. Hobbled by the lack of young workers, and an inability to innovate, what they face is an anemic future where they’ll try in vain to maintain all of this crappy infrastructure they built, that few people use.

> Airshow China, in the southern city of Zhuhai, offers Beijing an opportunity to demonstrate its ambitions in civil aerospace and to underline its growing capability in defense. China is set to overtake the U.S. as the world’s top aviation market in the next decade.

No, not happening, not even if they dumped $100 billion on it.


I have to wonder if they’d really be showing the world these planes if they were all they were cracked up to be.


Probably not. It is most likely for internal and external propaganda purposes. I’m not a technology military expert, I certainly couldn’t run off specifics like many on here can, but the belief is that China is serving notice “we are developing and growing fast”. If they have this for public consumption, what do they have behind the curtain?


China is behind us in military tech, as are the rest of the world. The J-20 is noting more than tech that we have had for decades. As Alaska Slim said, they lack the ability to innovate. They can only copy and paste. So long as they are trying to catch up to tech we developed ages ago they will never be a threat. Not to mention the F-22, while more expensive to manufacture, out performs the F-35. The threat of war with America keeps the peace because we can destroy our enemies with ease. So long s we maintain that technological advantage peace will remain.



China only poses a military threat due to the size of its ground forces. To put it in perspective. Their ground forces are so huge in terms of numbers that we simply could not kill them fast enough to keep them from overcoming our ground forces. THINK Alamo, 182 min vs 5000. We kept them at bay for 12 days, then Santa Anna changed his tactics and he overcame. What did he do? He stopped shooting back at the defenders. He ordered his men to charge with FIXED bayonets and stabbed them to death. Ole Davy could not shoot them fast enough!

China has a HUGE Army and it shows their old thinking of just throwing enough men at the other guys until they run out of bullets.

What China was doing was showing the US that they can steal our secrets anytime they wish…There should be an investigation on Obama/Klinton who I BELIEVE gave our nations secrets away or traded them favors…


I wouldn’t blame them. China has been making knockoffs of our planes for ages. The J-20 is basically what they stole about the F-22 and F-35 programs. The problem with China is that they are stealing tech they do not understand fully. Hence why their planes always have issues. They can backwards engineer our tech but they cannot master it. They just do not have the knowledge or expertise to do so.


There is a house in Japan that has full time workers at it for the past 1000 years. The Asian mentality is not one of inventors and creators (and this is not meant as a negative), what they excel at is taking existing and improving it and no one does it better than they do.


Takes 2 things: The tech AND the ability to use it.

Our military pilots are the very best in the world, no one flies better, the Ruskys can give us a fight, but they always lose…


I would disagree there a bit. A lot of good inventions have come from Asians. The compass, paper, gunpowder and even the printing press just to name a few. Every culture has had its time in the spotlight of innovation. The Chinese have been fighting each other, and now others, for so long now that they have stopped. Much like the European Dark Age, a majority of the Asian culture is less focused on progression as they are on grabbing power.


Agreed. Our culture allows the best to rise to the top. Where as in other countries success is either punished or not rewarded. Europe could be like America but despite them have “democratic” governments they still operate in a very aristocratic manner.


China has nukes. We’re never going to get into a land/air war with China.


Obama has made our country vulnerable for a number of reasons;

> America’s F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter Is a Killer (But it Can Be Defeated) | The National Interest Blog
> To make matters worse—as money is siphoned off to pay for the F-35—upgrades to keep the Raptor at the top of its game have been short changed. The Raptor won’t have full integration with the latest air-to-air missiles like the AIM-9X Sidewinder and AIM-120D AMRAAM until late in 2017—more than a decade after the jet became operational in 2005. Nor will the Raptor receive a helmet-mounted cueing system—which would allow it to take full advantage of the AIM-9X—until 2020 at the earliest. The original plan was to field the Raptor with a helmet-mounted cueing system on Day One—but a combination of a lack of funding and technical problems torpedoed that plan.

#1) F-35, 15 years in the making. It finally reached Initial Operating Capability in August 2016 ?

> F-35 fighters combat ready, Air Force says
> By Zachary Cohen, CNN
> Updated 3:04 PM ET, Tue **August 2, 2016 **
> (CNN)The U.S. Air Force says the most expensive weapons system in its history is ready for combat.
> The service said Tuesday that its version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35A Lightning, has reached IOC (Initial Operating Capability), meaning that it is developed enough and has passed the proper tests to be flown on combat missions.
> **Originally conceived in 2001 **to upgrade the U.S. military’s aging tactical fleet, the single-seat F-35 has slightly different forms and capabilities to meet the needs of each military branch.

#2) Pilot Shortage;

Facing Pilot Shortfall, Air Force Challenged to Train Foreign Aviators

> James (Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James) and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein in July penned in a public plea to Congress for more funding to address a current shortfall of as many as 700 pilots.
> They argued the service will need stronger cash bonuses to attract new aviators and to sustain the force. One proposal calls for nearly doubling aviation retention pay for pilots who stay in the service from $25,000 a year to $48,000.
> Without the extra money, the leaders say, the shortage could increase to 1,000 pilots by 2022, due in part to competition from the private sector.
> Facing Pilot Shortfall, Air Force Challenged to Train Foreign Aviators | Military.com


As others have alluded to, they needn’t have anything behind the curtain. This smells more of smoke and mirrors rather than distraction from real capability. China has never produced a fighter of its own worth a hoot in the history of aviation. Copycats and knockoffs. They struggled for about two decades to produce a new fighter whose aeronautical technology was on par for the '60s; in the 90s…


And now their latest and greatest is on par with technology from the early 2000s. Its a joke. The Chinese may have the numbers but we have the ability(technology) to make that a moot point.


Early-2000s technology if it’s all it’s cracked up to be.


I recall the stories from the 1930’s where OUR government was pooh-poohing the ability of the Japanese to wage war against us. They circulated the story that some American engineer designed a battleship and PURPOSELY made it faulty and top-heavy and sold the plans to the Japanese who built it according to his plans. Upon launching, the ship turned turtle and sank! It didn’t happen, of course, but that was the narrative being circulated to calm fears of the Japanese war machine.