Vindication For Cruz


#1

Finally there is proof that Cruz is indeed the most stellar conservative in the race, the despicable Leftist liar Ron Paul has condemned him; While praising Bernie Sanders of course.
Ron Paul: Ted Cruz is no libertarian - POLITICO

“You take a guy like Cruz, people are liking the Cruz — they think he’s for the free market, and [in reality] he’s owned by Goldman Sachs. I mean, he and Hillary have more in common than we would have with either Cruz or Trump or any of them so I just don’t think there is much picking,”

“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market.

Good to see Paul is just as incompetent at speaking English as always, I can think of no better endorsement for a Conservative than to have Ron Paul condemn you.

But it is sad that Rand’s 6 voters will be moving to the Sanders camp, they will have to order another pound of hamburger for the campaign picnic now on very short notice.


#2

[quote=“RET423, post:1, topic:48224”]
Finally there is proof that Cruz is indeed the most stellar conservative in the race, the despicable Leftist liar Ron Paul has condemned him; While praising Bernie Sanders of course.
Ron Paul: Ted Cruz is no libertarian - POLITICO

Good to see Paul is just as incompetent at speaking English as always, I can think of no better endorsement for a Conservative than to have Ron Paul condemn you.

But it is sad that Rand’s 6 voters will be moving to the Sanders camp, they will have to order another pound of hamburger for the campaign picnic now on very short notice.
[/quote]Ron Paul is still trying to stay relevant and get people to fund his craziness. His rants are so overboard it is a wonder he does not have a keeper.


#3

Subjective opinions are not proof, and neither can they be proven.


#4

He’s not THAT bad. Some of his tweets are okay: https://twitter.com/ronpaul

For example:

Jan 21: The Injustice Of Mandatory Minimums - today on the Liberty Report: https://youtu.be/GNQzI0mzec0
Feb 4: Bernie Sanders and the Fraud of Democratic Socialism
Feb 4: No One Has a Right to Health Care

Now, don’t misunderstand me, he is nuts in many ways. But he is not a total whackjob, just a partial one.

Subjective opinions are not proof, and neither can they be proven.


#5

Completely missed this. Thanks RET!


#6

Well I heard Cruz tell a bald faced lie about Trump last night on Fox so I want nothing to do with him. If he is nominated I will vote for him, but I don’t like him.


#7

I would be interested in hearing this “lie” that Cruz told


#8

He “quoted” - quoted - Trump as saying that he wanted socialized healthcare, when in fact those words never crossed Trump’s lips.

And yes, I know what you are going to say, that that’s what Trump “meant”, but that’s an opinion, an interpretation, but Trump never said “socialized healthcare”. Cruz said he did.

I’d call that a lie, and frankly it dovetails with the deceit of Iowa.


#9

<blockquote class=“twitter-tweet” data-lang=“en”><p lang=“en” dir=“ltr”>CONCEITED <a href=“https://twitter.com/hashtag/CRUZ?src=hash”>#CRUZ</a><br><br>CHEATING, LYING, ABUSING<br><br>BUT PEOPLE “KNOW”<br><br>ONLY <a href=“https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump”>@realDonaldTrump</a> WANTS TO<a href=“https://twitter.com/hashtag/MakeAmericaGreatAgain?src=hash”>#MakeAmericaGreatAgain</a> <a href=“https://t.co/uMkOr7MTnM”>pic.twitter.com/uMkOr7MTnM</a></p>— :star_of_david: Eliana Benador :star_of_david: (@ElianaBenador) <a href=“https://twitter.com/ElianaBenador/status/697759935271198724”>February 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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#10

I think Cruz is the only steadfast conservative in the race. His consistent constitutional/rational positions have proven to be unshakable by not just word, but by deed. His is a message that “travels well” from state to state and region to region. At times I have questioned his Senate legislative STRATEGY, but not the policy position his consistent conservatism represents. He does not have a history of going along to get along. If congress sends him bullshit, as president I don’t think he will sign it. The fact that he has sometimes rubbed his peers in the Senate the wrong way is of no concern to me - on the contrary, Cruz has staked out principled policy positions and stood by them even when it has NOT been to his political benefit to do so. It’s known as INTEGRITY!! I’m more certain about what his presidency would represent and seek to accomplish than any other candidate in the race.

IMHO - some, perhaps many, will fall for the loud, feel-good, often outlandish claims and rhetoric or the “presentation tested”, focus group phrasing or the “compassionate conservative” left-wing pablum offered up by other candidates and heralded by media and talking heads.

But, if you are really a conservative AND want to actually move the ball toward the right end zone; a voter who wants to elect a candidate who will make an impact in a positive way then, really, the obvious choice is Ted Cruz - In my humble opinion. The other candidates are akin to Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get until you open the box. Sorry, that ain’t good enough - not for me and not now. PERIOD.

That’s the way I see it and that’s about all I have to say about the primary race.


#11

Let us stipulate for a moment that Cruz is the only steadfast conservative in the race. Does that make him effective? Not necessarily. Will that make him a successful president? Not necessarily.

Trump makes things happen! He turns crap into gold. Trump wins people over, of that there is no doubt. Can Cruz say those things? Not really. At this moment in time we needs someone who fixes broken stuff. Trump can do that. I don’t know that Cruz can.


#12

[quote=“MDMikeB, post:10, topic:48224”]
I think Cruz is the only steadfast conservative in the race. His consistent constitutional/rational positions have proven to be unshakable by not just word, but by deed. His is a message that “travels well” from state to state and region to region. At times I have questioned his Senate legislative STRATEGY, but not the policy position his consistent conservatism represents. He does not have a history of going along to get along. If congress sends him bullshit, as president I don’t think he will sign it. The fact that he has sometimes rubbed his peers in the Senate the wrong way is of no concern to me - on the contrary, Cruz has staked out principled policy positions and stood by them even when it has NOT been to his political benefit to do so. It’s known as INTEGRITY!! I’m more certain about what his presidency would represent and seek to accomplish than any other candidate in the race.

IMHO - some, perhaps many, will fall for the loud, feel-good, often outlandish claims and rhetoric or the “presentation tested”, focus group phrasing or the “compassionate conservative” left-wing pablum offered up by other candidates and heralded by media and talking heads.

But, if you are really a conservative AND want to actually move the ball toward the right end zone; a voter who wants to elect a candidate who will make an impact in a positive way then, really, the obvious choice is Ted Cruz - In my humble opinion. The other candidates are akin to Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get until you open the box. Sorry, that ain’t good enough - not for me and not now. PERIOD.

That’s the way I see it and that’s about all I have to say about the primary race.
[/quote]Very well said.


#13

Dude, he unequivocally supported Hillarycare. He wanted single payer health care back in the 90’s. I remember it quite clearly. To be fair, several R’s wanted it also.


#14

Terry, are you describing Trump or Rumpelstiltskin?


#15

“…in the 90’s…”

Your post has nothing to do with mine. Cruz put words in Trump’s mouth that he never said. Cruz stated that in the debate Trump said that he wanted socialized healthcare, when in fact those words never crossed Trump’s lips. CRUZ LIED.

Lately the mods attack my factual posts. I am not sure why.


#16

I don’t know, I think he can convert people to his point of view when someone actually listens.


#17

I didn’t see where Cruz used that qualifier. It is entirely possible that I missed it.

As far as attacking your factual posts, that’s what we (all of our posters) do. It’s a discussion board. Everybody’s factual posts are either attacked or agreed with.
I’m sure everyone has factual posts that are disagreed with. Please don’t feel that you are alone in having your factual posts argued.


#18

D-Neck - the YouTube video regarding ethanol/Iowa corn grower subsidies is a prime example of Cruz taking a principled conservative position EVEN when it might not play well to the audience in front of him. I can’t begin to imagine Trump being able to provide such a cogent, coherent and well thought out position on the subject. In fact, I don’t have a clue what Trump’s position is on the subject other than, “I’m going to make America great again.”


#19

Question: Is there anyone on this board who really thinks Trump has any meaningful understanding, or even a passing knowledge (or even gives a sh*t), regarding the differences between the various factions/tribes in the Middle East - ie: Sunni, Shiite and Kurds?

Is it possible there is anyone on this board who, given the Cluster Fleuken that is the Middle East and the threat it represents to the West, doesn’t think at least a basic understanding of how these peoples inter-react and understands the threat isn’t important?

Is it possible there is anyone on this board who favors electing a president Trump willing to embrace Vladimir Putin and Russia’s actions in Syria that is helping to produce 750K refugees trapped under Putin’s and Assad’s pummeling/bombing and, by implication, willing to ignore the “Great Bear’s” march into a once peaceful and in-tact Ukraine?


#20

Frankly, I doubt that Trump has given any thought whatsoever about anything having to do with the Middle East–except to say he’ll defeat ISIS. Trump is pretty good at pinpointing what most Americans are concerned about and spouting slogans about his being able to “do something” to solve those problems and about how “great” he is and will be if we’ll just turn over the reins of government to him. I STILL think his candidacy is solely for the purpose of helping Hillary get herself elected.