That’s not what I came away with from what Jazzhead wrote. He specifically referred to “dogmas and creeds” that distort what Jesus actually taught in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Dogmas and creeds are only found in writings outside the Bible (e.g. the “Apostles” Creed) and are mostly based upon the speculations and personal philosophies of religious leaders and the early Church “Fathers” aka the Christianized Romans.
Jazz and I have been on RO for about 3 years, and have known each other online for much longer than that. That is what I referred to when I said, “I understand Jazz from other contexts here …”.
Having been raised in the Lutheran Church, I am familiar with the Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed. They are intended to be summaries of essential teachings of the scriptures. A Catholic would have to explain whether and what degree of authority Catholics ascribe to those creeds. Such creeds were part of what I had in mind when I posted the words, “secondary, derivative, limited”. They are useful as brief summaries, to the degree they reflect the teaching of the Bible.
I don’t know if you’ve ever read the Apostles Creed. I believe you are either one of Jehovah’s witnesses, or influenced by Watchtower teachings. I infer that from your use of the New World Translation for that quote from Psalm 83. Were you to read the Apostles Creed, I do not think there’s much in it with which you would disagree (especially if you understand that “catholic” means universal, all Christian believers throughout all time, rather than specifically and only the organization headquartered in Rome). The Nicene Creed … well Arianism was one of the issues before the Council of Nicaea, so one who accepted the Watchtower’s teachings about the nature of God would disagree with much of that.
As for those sometimes called “Church Fathers”, they were teachers in the early Christian church whose writings were preserved for expressing their understanding of Christianity well. I respect them as I would, for example, C. S. Lewis or Chuck Colson. They were Christian teachers, but finite and imperfect.