We are told that Donald Trump is not the answer to our problems


#1

We are told by some that Donald Trump is not the answer to our nation’s problems. But, is it not a fact that these problems are suicidal in nature, like the Obama / Hillary Clinton Administration’s open border agenda and flooding our nation with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries? Is it not reasonable to think this open border policy is intentionally designed to weaken and destroy America from within?

I do not know how some arrive at the conclusion that Trump is not the “answer”, but from where I stand I know what to expect from Hillary Clinton ___ a continuance of Obama’s open border policy; the importation of hundreds of thousands of “refugees” from Islamic controlled countries; America’s unemployment rate skyrocketing while earned wages being depressed because of unfettered immigration; the appointment of judges and Justices who will use their office to impose their personal sense of fairness, reasonableness, or justice in defiance of our written Constitution and its documented legislative intent; an expansion of free government cheese while our national debt will increase to pay for it; and the suicidal list goes on and on.

As to Donald Trump, not being the “answer”, I can truthfully say neither I nor those who claim he is not the “answer” can accurately predict what he will do if elected president. But we do know what Hillary will do and is spells the end of America as a constitutionally limited system of government.

JWK


“The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice.” – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968



#2

I don’t personally know any Republicans who don’t agree with most of what Trump verbalizes on the issues. How he would actually govern might be open to a bit more speculation - and, yes, we have an even better idea how Clinton would govern and the road she would take us down.

However, the main thing we know - what we can be CERTAIN of with Trump - is that he’s proving to be the worst freakin’ candidate in our lifetime. My dog Tinkerbell would be up on Clinton by 20 points!!

I hope his miserable campaign isn’t indicative of how he would perform as POTUS. Then again, it’s unlikely we will find out.


#3

while earned wages being depressed because of unfettered immigration
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I would disagree in part with the above. Sure we lose some jobs because of rampant immigration. But I would point out that a lot of times those jobs are not the ones citizens want. Sadly Americans have been spoiled with the idea that you should love your job, be paid a wage that in no way reflects the skills that it takes to do the job & that just by being born we are somehow entitled to the good life. Never the less you are right to a certain degree. (I guess that I should say here that I did a job that I didn’t like for 20 years, oh well).
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On the other hand I view the main problem is that democrats are anti business. It’s a 2 prong attack by government making rules that raise business costs & unions demanding wages that make products costs skyrocket beyond what you can sell products for. Those things have forced businesses to go overseas. Everybody talks about labor costs compared to overseas. But the truth is that everything cost more, labor, materials, shipping & anything else that goes into productions. It’s cheaper to make items overseas & ship them back here than to make them here. We are destroying our own businesses while at the same time making it harder (through regulations) & more expensive to start new businesses.
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The democratic (& republican to some extent) mantras are that costs can ALWAYS be passed on to consumers & that just isn’t true. On top of that democrats don’t seem to believe that businesses HAVE TO make a profit. I “assume” that they feel that the government can always come in & bail out every business in the country. I can see why that would be logical to them because they believe that all businesses should be owned by the government anyway. Just what I think the problem is.


#4

Oh & as far as Trump I’d like to point out one thing. It seems strange that a lot of conservative believe everything the media says about him. But I saw the clip where he said this, you say. But did you see the whole thing or a cut of something? Give me a nice long speech to edit & I can make anyone say anything with the right equipment. Or I could just pull things out of context. The media is bias & the media is selling Hillary & that means that it’s doing an overload attacking Trump. With all the crap that Hillary has been caught on I’d bet that there are still more negative stories about Trump out there than Hillary. This election will go down in history as the one that has the most propaganda put out. It wasn’t until late in the war that Hitler had as much control over what the people hear as the liberals do today in America. Anyway my feeling are:
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  1. Do I vote for a known evil or someone that may turn out to be bad?
  2. Do I vote for a party that I know pushes socialism or one that seems to like the status quo but “might” actually do something?
  3. Do I not vote & hope that Hillary doesn’t win? To me that’s like not buying a gun & hoping that nobody tries to rob me. I don’t like leaving my fate up to someone else & I view most democrats as well meaning morons.

#5

Supply and demand dictates the rise and fall of earned wages. And when millions upon millions of destitute and poverty stricken foreigners are introduced into our country when American citizens are unemployed, you can bet earned wages will begin to slide downwards.

Aside from that, the thread is really about us being told by our popular media that Trump is not the answer to our problems, suggesting that Hillary Clinton is.

JWK


80% of green energy money taxed away from hard working American Citizens WENT TO the Hillary Clinton / Obama Administration’s donors!



#6

Key word is WANT!

My dad after they gave up the ranch and moved to a small city, dad worked: Threw newspapers from a bike, worked as a butcher, worked as a “soda jerk”, worked as a projectionist at a movie house, worked as a “telegraph boy” delivering Western Union, then he went in the Army 1934.

So I asked my dad one time, how did he have some many jobs during the depression and yet there was over 25% unemployment? Dad said: I needed a job more than I wanted to stand in soup and bread lines. So my dad supported his mom and dad durning the depression and he did it as young man.

Today, with PRIDE people talk about welfare, food stamps, free medical, free cell fone etc.

Anti Business, not really! The Dims are PRO Communism and socialism, and they know well that business must be allowed to continue in order to PROP up failed govt. While I am sure they won’t admit it, the best model (in my thinking) is the Nazi model where the govt controlled large business, which is what the Dims want to do. I posted a thread and was a bit surprised that no one replied and it was about: UN Announces Support for Obama’s Nationalization of Police UN Announces Support for Obama’s Nationalization of Police

We are beginning to nationalize business and my guess is Hitlery will stay on that path.

No form of communism socialism can work without the support of business (capitalism) and they know it!


#7

[quote=“johnwk, post:1, topic:49325”]
As to Donald Trump, not being the “answer”, I can truthfully say neither I nor those who claim he is not the “answer” can accurately predict what he will do if elected president.
[/quote]Doesn’t this bother you?

But we can predict some things. He will be a protectionist and destroy American jobs, for the same reason Bernie Sanders would do the same. It is one thing he has consistently repeated at least since 1979. Funny, that whole supply and demand thing you mentioned.

[quote=“17Oaks, post:6, topic:49325”]
While I am sure they won’t admit it, the best model (in my thinking) is the Nazi model where the govt controlled large business, which is what the Dims want to do.
[/quote]That’s where we’re at and continue to be headed, and the Republicans seem unwilling to do anything about it. It’s basically just legal corruption.


#8

Your charge is vastly overblown. Aside from that, are you suggesting we sit idle and allow Hillary Clinton to be our next president based upon your protectionist charge?

JWK

To support Hillary Clinton is to support our Global Governance Crowd and their Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority, WTO, NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal ___ all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of Hillary Clinton’s international corporate giant donors who have no allegiance to America or any nation.


#9

What charge is vastly overblown? That it should bother us to be voting for a question mark? Or that he is a protectionist who will destroy American jobs through his economic illiteracy? Do you think we should ignore his protectionism when we decide how to vote? Or his anti-American attitude toward private property? Or his flip-flopping on nearly everything else? Or his deficit reduction plans, which won’t reduce the deficit? Or his proposed attacks on free speech and the free press? Etc. and so forth?

No, I’m not suggesting we sit idle and “allow” anyone to do anything. I suggest we find good candidates who don’t suck, the kind where we don’t have to wonder what they believe, and vote for them. Clinton and Trump suck, and they’re both bad for the future of our nation. When one of them becomes president, Trump-Clinton voters are getting what they deserve – Although I understand that some folks are just resigned to the two main choices they think we have and can’t break themselves away from the dysfunction that is our federal government today.


#10

I wrote, "… are you suggesting we sit idle and allow Hillary Clinton to be our next president based upon your protectionist charge?’

Did you not charge that Trump will be a “protectionist”?

As I previously wrote, *"I do not know how some arrive at the conclusion that Trump is not the “answer”, but from where I stand I know what to expect from Hillary Clinton ___ a continuance of Obama’s open border policy; the importation of hundreds of thousands of “refugees” from Islamic controlled countries; America’s unemployment rate skyrocketing while earned wages being depressed because of unfettered immigration; the appointment of judges and Justices who will use their office to impose their personal sense of fairness, reasonableness, or justice in defiance of our written Constitution and its documented legislative intent; an expansion of free government cheese while our national debt will increase to pay for it; and the suicidal list goes on and on.

As to Donald Trump, not being the “answer”, I can truthfully say neither I nor those who claim he is not the “answer” can accurately predict what he will do if elected president. But we do know what Hillary will do and is spells the end of America as a constitutionally limited system of government."*

So, what do we do at this point in time? Do we go with Hillary, or work to insure Hillary is not elected as president of the United States?

JWK


#11

[quote=“johnwk, post:10, topic:49325”]
I wrote, "… are you suggesting we sit idle and allow Hillary Clinton to be our next president based upon your protectionist charge?’

Did you not charge that Trump will be a “protectionist”?
[/quote]Sorry. I missed it when I started responding.

I also wrote stuff that answered you anyway. Feel free to go back and re-read it. Or not.

[quote=“johnwk, post:10, topic:49325”]
As to Donald Trump, not being the “answer”, I can truthfully say neither I nor those who claim he is not the “answer” can accurately predict what he will do if elected president. But we do know what Hillary will do and is spells the end of America as a constitutionally limited system of government."*
[/quote]Yes, we can predict what he will do if elected president. His most consistent position has been his protectionism going back 37 years at least --Infowars ran a video demonstrating this apparently in order to demonstrate that Trump is in fact consistent. We can count on Trump doing a number of things. I have some friends who tell me he can’t do anything without Congress, and they’re relying on Congress to control him. Congress, especially Republican congresses, haven’t been very good at that in recent years. We can predict a big fat populist bowl of economic illiteracy. And it’s no better for America than what you fear Clinton will do.

[quote=“johnwk, post:10, topic:49325”]
So, what do we do at this point in time? Do we go with Hillary, or work to insure Hillary is not elected as president of the United States?

JWK
[/quote]We stop voting for anti-Constitution, anti-capitalist and un-American candidates. We stop supporting them, and we do something else. As long as you and everyone else continues to support those who attack the Constitution and propose terrible ideas, like the two candidates running for president in the two major parties, you will continue to get presidents who violate the Constitution.


#12
  1. Vote for none of the above.

#13

The question was “So, what do we do at this point in time? Do we go with Hillary, or work to insure Hillary is not elected as president of the United States?”

Seems to me at this point in time, when the choice is Clinton or Trump, those who decide to not vote will, in effect, be aiding Hillary to become president of the United States.

I don’t like the choice either. But is it wise to help Hillary get elected by not voting?

JWK

And what does Hillary Clinton promise as tax reform for the middle class? CLICK HERE to find out!


#14

no it isn’t wise to vote for her when you’re learning every day what her plans are. More immigration, more muslims, more abortions, more taxes, no guns, limiting free speech (I will shut down all hateful speech from wherever it comes…she means the right…conservatives, Christians), poverty for us and more wealth and power for her and her friends. This woman is on the side of the devil. Can’t you see that?


#15

Stop with the insulting “As long as you and everyone else”.

I agree with your above suggestions during the primary. But after the primary we are stuck with a choice ___ Trump or Clinton. This is not rocket science my friend.

JWK

In Obama’s world free speech must be controlled by global governance bureaucrats… CLICK HERE for story.


#16

I agree with you completely! If Hillary is elected, that will insure the completion of Obama’s fundamental transformation of America!

JWK


80% of green energy money taxed away from hard working American Citizens WENT TO the Hillary Clinton / Obama Administration’s donors!



#17

You know I love you man, but have fun with that.


#18

[quote=“johnwk, post:13, topic:49325”]
The question was “So, what do we do at this point in time? Do we go with Hillary, or work to insure Hillary is not elected as president of the United States?”

Seems to me at this point in time, when the choice is Clinton or Trump, those who decide to not vote will, in effect, be aiding Hillary to become president of the United States.

I don’t like the choice either. But is it wise to help Hillary get elected by not voting?

[/quote]Is it wise to help Trump get elected by not voting?

Fortunately, your question is deeply flawed. We have more than two options.

[quote=“johnwk, post:15, topic:49325”]
Stop with the insulting “As long as you and everyone else”.
[/quote]You find that insulting? What in the world? Aren’t you voting for one of the anti-Constitution candidates? Am I supposed to tell you how wonderful I think that is or what?


#19

No human being is the answer to our problems. The only answer is God, and this country is doing its best to kick Him out.


#20

You wrote: “As long as you and everyone else continues to support those who attack the Constitution.” At this point in time voters have a choice between Clinton and Trump and the fact is, to stay home and not vote insures that Hillary will get elected. Would it be fair for me to say those who stay home and do not vote are Hillary supporters and support this anti-Constitution candidate? Or would it be fair to conclude that those who object to both candidates who stay home, bend the voting curve in Hillary’s favor?

As I correctly pointed out above, after the primaries are over, this choice is not rocket science.

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama / Hillary Clinton Administration’s, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obama/Hillarycare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ the Obama / Hillary Clinton Administration’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which confiscates and then redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.